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Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by MrRiddle »

cpursley wrote: post #225
scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

-Russia wins in Ukraine Russia has so far demonstrated that it isn’t capable of much on that front. Ukraine is a big country, they’re barely doing a city at a time, and they’ve only had success on a small front that they’re very familiar with. -The sanctions were ultimately ineffective, for the reasons you explain above This remains to be seen - they’re definitely “effective” because they’re changing everything, ques…

> Russia has so far demonstrated that it isn’t capable of much on that front. Russia is weeks, perhaps days, away from consolidating the Donbas. An area larger than the UK and one of their primary objectives. > Currently Russia has only managed to weaken and isolate itself. Russia is coming out of this with multiple new trade partnerships, financial payment integrations and military alliances.

People don’t realize Donbas is Ukraine’s last real line of defense and their only stronghold. After it falls, and it will soon, it’s a matter of siege and patience. Ability to counterattack will be completely removed.

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

somenameforme wrote: post #212
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #145

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Easily avoided! OK, now let's hear how it could be "easily avoided".

This [1] is a 1.5 minute video of NATO expansion since 1949. It was well understood that eastern expansion would, sooner or later, result in conflict with Russia (or the Soviet Union prior). We decided to not just poke the bear but to go cover our arse in honey and twerk in front of it with Aqua's Barbie Girl pumped up to 11. And of course it sounds nice to say sovereign nations ought be able to choose their own alli…

I'm not sure what point this is trying to make. None of these countries want to be part of the old Soviet Union.

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Post by leereeves »

r00fus wrote: post #277
nostromo wrote: post #27

The US government has completely lost the ability to act strategically. Biden is currently in Saudi Arabia begging for more oil production, meanwhile he's blocking measures to increase North American oil production. So, instead of fixing our own problem with inflation, we're asking one of the worst regimes on Earth for help and enriching Russia with higher prices simultaneously. Even if you support greener energy, li…

> meanwhile he's blocking measures to increase North American oil production. Increasing local oil production will do little - the barrel prices are not exactly high, but the price at the pump is high - why? Refining. And that's all controlled by oil companies. I wonder why? Perhaps they're just ginning for extra profit?

> the barrel prices are not exactly high

$120/barrel is pretty high. Not the highest it's ever been, but close, and about twice as expensive as crude was from 2015 to early 2021.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/oil-price?op...

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Post by butterfly771 »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #213
zionic wrote: post #149

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I’m concerned the following might play out: -Russia wins in Ukraine -The sanctions were ultimately ineffective, for the reasons you explain above -China takes Taiwan during major US political unrest, at BEST destroying the fabs and at worst gaining full control of the leading 3nm/2nm etc process -A deeper China-Russia alliance, which was expedited by our ineffective sanctions now, puts the screws to US/western compan…

-Russia wins in Ukraine Russia has so far demonstrated that it isn’t capable of much on that front. Ukraine is a big country, they’re barely doing a city at a time, and they’ve only had success on a small front that they’re very familiar with. -The sanctions were ultimately ineffective, for the reasons you explain above This remains to be seen - they’re definitely “effective” because they’re changing everything, ques…

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Post by vogre »

themitigating wrote: post #159
vogre wrote: post #126

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Funniest part is that US and Europe buy Russian oil from India. Because Indians are able to remove all evil totalitarian molecules from it.

"India has also denied recent reports that Russian crude imported by India was being shipped on as refined products to other countries, including the US." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-60783874.amp Even if it is true the oil shipments origins are being hidden so the US and Europe don't know it's from Russia. You implied they were aware it was from Russia but were ok because it went through. Article about…

>don't know it's from Russia

Oh these famous Indian URALS oil fields!

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Post by butterfly771 »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #290
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #276

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Yes, but why? Why do these people have to suffer all the time? One reason I heard my Russian friends repeating is that "it's a bit country so we need a strong ruler to keep it together". But history shows this is not true. Also a federation of states like the USA would probably work better than the current setup where a short guy from Moscow is sending Buryat boys to die in a country they haven't seen before.

> a federation of states like the USA would probably work better than the current setup where a short guy from Moscow is sending Buryat boys to die in a country they haven't seen before Excuse my ignorance… but how is it different from a tall guy from Connecticut sending, I dunno, Montana boys to die in a country they haven't even heard of? I'm just trying to understand the difference.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

jimbob45 wrote: post #134
nostromo wrote: post #108

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It's political. (I don't mean that as a negative, just reality.) The US is coming up on an election. The party in power is extremely unpopular right now, and about to get walloped according to polls. Polling shows that inflation is a big driver for their unpopularity. So they're trying to square two semi-incompatible positions: support Ukraine via sanctions and fight inflation too.

>The party in power is...about to get walloped according to polls. I think this is the most overblown talking point right now. In the most favorable wet dream scenario for Republicans where every tossup goes their way[0], they're still only going to hold a 56-44 Senate lead over the Democrats. That's not filibuster-proof and certainly isn't the doomsday scenario that everyone keeps predicting. Keep in mind that Repub…

It's not filibuster-proof, and it's even less veto-proof. But it would let the Republicans set the legislative agenda, and nothing would pass without their approval.

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Post by rajup »

labrador wrote: post #310
rajup wrote: post #296

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Not sure how that question is relevant, but if you think the politicians and military brass are worried at all about the “murders of children and women” I have a bridge to sell you.

The 99% who aren't psychopaths worry about it very much as something to be avoided if at all possible

Noble intentions and I agree with you it should be avoided, but again I’m confused that you’re suggesting that morality is the major driver for the actions or inactions of nations around the world when it comes to war. It probably is the major driver for most people as you say, but geopolitics simply don’t work that way.

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Post by juve1996 »

cpursley wrote: post #215
juve1996 wrote: post #209

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Russia will not come out of this any better. China and India are gleefully picking the bones, and it's hard to blame them. The fudged numbers of the Ruble are irrelevant.

The EU and other buyers of Russian commodities seem to be paying those fudged numbers as we speak.

Of course - through necessity. But this will force them to move away and look for other options. You can go ahead and congratulate them on their short term "victories", but long term, I don't see how this benefits them.

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Post by butterfly771 »

pphysch wrote: post #35
nostromo wrote: post #27

The US government has completely lost the ability to act strategically. Biden is currently in Saudi Arabia begging for more oil production, meanwhile he's blocking measures to increase North American oil production. So, instead of fixing our own problem with inflation, we're asking one of the worst regimes on Earth for help and enriching Russia with higher prices simultaneously. Even if you support greener energy, li…

Many powerful people in Washington genuinely thought they "won the game of history" in 1991 and subsequently turned their brains off.

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