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Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by boudin » Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:14 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #63

dylan604 wrote: post #44

ohmuhgawd! Until now, I had never seen this "tech". It is so obviously the ink jet of washers. why on earth would this seem like a good idea to anyone other than the manufacturer knowing the ink jet games that could be played. as a consumer why would this ever sound like a good enough idea to actually purchase?

> as a consumer why would this ever sound like a good enough idea to actually purchase? Because as far as I know, there's no competing small sized kitchen-countertop dishwasher; that said, there's enough money on HN and its investors to start a company that does the same thing without the DRM and custom cartridges.

It's mentioned briefly in the writeup but those cardridges are not needed, the dishwasher works with standard tablets as well. It's sold as a convenience thing.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by boudin » Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:16 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #11

Talking about a 20 year old dishwasher in the https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31555629 post I doubt this company will still sell you a cartridge in 20 years making it yet another paper weight although it would still function.

The cassette is not required, it also works with standard detergent

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by witheld » Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:18 PM UTC

lostgame wrote: post #299

ssl232 wrote: post #184

Reminds me of the Juicero [1]: an attempt to bring DRM to fruit juice. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ

I often wonder what the CEO and investors of Juicero actually felt when the video of the ease to self-squeeze was released. I can't imagine that level of just instantly knowing everything you've worked on is absolutely fucked and there can be absolutely no recovery or hope for it.

It actually caused their golden goose investor to drop out in the middle of a deal- that single video killed the entire company.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by bpye » Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

hguant wrote: post #65

causality0 wrote: post #5

I see the point of that dishwasher for someone who doesn't have easy access to a sink like a student in a dorm, but I can't fathom why you'd put one in a house or apartment. With such a tiny capacity you're better off hand washing.

1. Handwashing is water inefficient compared to a lot of dishwashers; if this is something that's important to you, a device like this makes ecologic, if not necessarily economic sense 2. Dishwashers are expensive to people not on tech salaries. All upfront costs are difficult; a smaller upfront payment with a recurring monthly/quarterly subscription payment is much more manageable for many people. 3. There are many…

Yeah, I don’t think this would really have a market in much of the US or Canada where even older apartments typically have dishwashers, maybe in cities like NYC there are folks that would find it useful?

But lots of U.K. homes don’t have a dishwasher and the kitchen without probably a full renovation wouldn’t accommodate one. In that context - I think this is a pretty great product. I wouldn’t be surprised if the situation is similar elsewhere in Europe, where the buildings predate dishwashers being a common appliance.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by shaman1 » Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:29 PM UTC

nicbou wrote: post #183

shaman1 wrote: post #177

Why buy such a thing in the first place? It's 300e and for that money you can buy a full sized one. I'm seeing similar priced mini dishwashers on amazon. As a sensible cosnumer you should have considered buying something standard and invest you time in something else. If they would sell the dishwashers and 1/2 price and rely on recurrent income from detergent that's a different story but in this case I see no really…

Not everyone has room for a dishwasher in their kitchen

As I mentioned, there are many similar mini dishwashers or table top dishwashers in the 300e price bracket.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by amluto » Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:47 PM UTC

throwaway09223 wrote: post #277

maccard wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah the eco mode takes 3 hours by default, but press "Vario Speed" and is done in 1:05h with the exact same result. I wonder about people complaining about this - whether it takes 1 hour or 3 hours, are you sitting in your kitchen waiting for the dishwasher to complete? Put it on after a meal and next time you're in the kitchen it will be done...

Honestly my only complaint is that my Bosch dishwasher's beep cannot be disabled. If I start it late, the damn thing wakes me up in the middle of the night. I've seriously considered taking it apart to remove the buzzer.

A quick DuckDuckGo search for “bosch dishwasher turn off beep” comes up with some promising results.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by celticninja » Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

maccard wrote: post #213

gambiting wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My new(2 years old) Bosch dishwasher cleans much better than any other dishwasher I used in my life. I'm like 60% sure that the buttons on the front don't actually do anything, because it cleans equally well in all modes, from ECO(50C) to Heavy Load(70C). Yeah the eco mode takes 3 hours by default, but press "Vario Speed" and is done in 1:05h with the exact same result.

> Yeah the eco mode takes 3 hours by default, but press "Vario Speed" and is done in 1:05h with the exact same result. I wonder about people complaining about this - whether it takes 1 hour or 3 hours, are you sitting in your kitchen waiting for the dishwasher to complete? Put it on after a meal and next time you're in the kitchen it will be done...

I cook a large meal for family maybe and bake some desert and then rest of the days build up and it's full. Put it on the 3hr cycle and by the time dinner is finished there is a while new load to go in, which has to sit around until it is complete (still 1.5 hour to go after we finish eating)

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by amluto » Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:51 PM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #291

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #232

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> My modern front load washer gets clothes clean. It also doesn’t severely abrade them. I had rented a place with a washer that ruined all of my clothes. I didn't figure out whats happening untill it was too late

Yeah, I’ve had front loaders trap a sheet in a seal and then scorch a bunch of stuff when it spun at a bajillion rpm against the 0rpm fabric. Wash on delicate with Cold water my friends!

I’ve had a top loader get clothing stuck in regrettable places on the agitator and shred them. I’ve never met a washer that was impossible to misuse.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by andai » Mon, May 30, 2022, 10:00 PM UTC

micromacrofoot wrote: post #272

paskozdilar wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're seriously trying to censor one of the most influential anarcho-primitivists in the world, on the basis that talking about his work somehow "glorifies random murders"? Talk about oversocialization.

he killed several people and tried to blow up an airplane… I’m saying maybe find literally any other person to support an idea

>While Kaczynski's violence was generally condemned, his manifesto expressed ideas that continue to be generally shared among the American public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber_Manifesto

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by tomrod » Mon, May 30, 2022, 10:03 PM UTC

dreamcompiler wrote: post #126

throwxxxaway wrote: post #32

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Can it be that we are just getting old? The new generation will have their brains wired to ignore ads, will be ok with devices spying on them (it will be called something else). And we will be something like that grandpa that can't unblock the mobile phone. (for example, use that new blockchain smart contract to open the fridge and order some food NFTs)

No. It's that the UI, privacy leakage, software, and electronic engineering of these things is simply horrible. I'd be happy with IoT appliances iff: --They weren't designed to fail because of poor power conditioning and thermal management. --They weren't vectors for botnets due to poor security. --They ran on my personal cloud or LAN rather than some godawful Chinese server. --I had veto power over all SW updates, a…

They don't think there is a market for it OR they don't put it into their core principles.

There is a market for it.