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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Sebb767 »

criddell wrote: post #297
vodkapump wrote: post #9

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I know this gets asked a lot and isn't really about this new upgraded model but.. Any news on plans for AMD models?

Why AMD? Why is there so little interest in ARM-based Linux laptops? Does AMD (or Intel) have anything even close in performance / watt that one can get from an ARM-based system?

ARM-based laptops are definitely more niche and if you don't have a large company like Apple forcing the adaption, you'll have a hard time to support proprietary software, including stuff like drivers. It would absolutely be cool to have an open ARM-based high-end laptop, but it's not drop-in like AMD.

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Post by freedomben »

nrp wrote: post #94
aestetix wrote: post #81

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Can existing customers "trade in" their old motherboards for the newer models, with credit applied to make it cheaper?

We don't do trade-ins, but we have released projects to enable re-use of old Mainboards: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard We're seeing some interesting outputs of that: https://github.com/brickbots/framedeck/ https://github.com/penk/MainboardTerminal

I know your roadmap is probably packed to the brim, but if you could help facilitate 3rd party sales that would be useful. My wife stepped on my framework 3 days (!!) after I finally got it back in the beginning, and you couldn't buy parts yet so I bought a whole new framework and cannibalized it for the screen. I've since repaired it but if there was a way to either trade or sell with other people in a similar boat, that would be amazing, particularly where not all parts are available for purchase at each given time.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by victor9000 »

nerdjon wrote: post #283

it is exciting to see an upgradeable laptop actually be upgradable. But I have to wonder what the market for this is? The primary use case I see for something like this is a gaming laptop, which this is just nowhere near being suitable for. Outside of that use case, for the vast majority of compute workloads is being able to upgrade really a need? I have 2 laptops (well technically 3 but I don't count my work one rea…

A few weeks ago I spilled an entire cup of sugary espresso on my framework laptop which completely ruined my keyboard by making it a sticky mess. You know what I did? I ordered a replacement keyboard kit for $99, installed it in ~5 minutes, and I haven't thought about it since.

Some other part will fail in the future, or I'll spill another cup of coffee, and when that happens all I need to worry about is swapping out the affected parts. And that's great compared to my previous alternatives with an XPS, which was basically to buy a brand new laptop.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by kwertyoowiyop »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #298
Goronmon wrote: post #154

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I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

Same. Everytime I get excited about Framework, Syste7m6, etc... and then get sad. I fully understand I'm a vanishing minority, But trackpoint is such a productivity booster for me, and makes such amazing use of space in a laptop format, that it's a must-have (and again, I fully understand that those who don't use Trackpoint will have no comprehension of what am I going on about; I'm a grouchy quirky old man :). Then…

It’s almost worth getting a “gamer laptop” just to get full-sized up/down arrow keys.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by criddell »

nicoburns wrote: post #307
criddell wrote: post #297

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Why AMD? Why is there so little interest in ARM-based Linux laptops? Does AMD (or Intel) have anything even close in performance / watt that one can get from an ARM-based system?

AMD and Intel both have processors that perform much better than anything ARM-based except Apple's M1 processors (which of course nobody else has access to). That might change once Qualcomm release the new design they are supposedly working on, but that's not available yet.

I was thinking recent CPUs in the Exynos line were supposed to be pretty good. I never realized Apple was that far ahead...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by anonporridge »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

It looks like you currently can't order without Windows bundled. Will there be an option to order the kit without Windows for a reduced price?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by loufe »

I'm looking at getting a new portable device at the end of the year as my nearly 11 year old Y580 IdeaPad continues to fall apart. I feel like it's between Framework and an iPad pro. It's a little dumb but the amount of content I watch on the thing is high, and having an OLED screen is important to me, it changes the game visually.

I would happily drop $2500 CAD on a framework if an OLED screen became available but I sincerely doubt it is something easy for them to source. That said, having a physicaly Canadian French keyboard is a huge plus, thanks Frame.Work. Oh well, choices to be made.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Sebb767 »

simonh wrote: post #118
vodkapump wrote: post #9

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I know this gets asked a lot and isn't really about this new upgraded model but.. Any news on plans for AMD models?

Does anyone know if the Framework laptop use a mainboard form factor that is available with AMD chips? The modularity of some components can be assumed because they are industry standards, like wifi modules I suppose. Other components perhaps Framework have designed their own range of modules with a common form factor, but it must be very expensive to engineer a compatible mainboard in the same form factor with a dif…

I'm not totally sure, but I think their mainboard is of their own design. They would need to adapt, but they could do it. I also think the differences are not too large, since most mainboard manufacturers offer surprisingly similar mainboards for either brand.

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Post by trinsic2 »

sascha_sl wrote: post #202
fsflover wrote: post #115

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> no Management Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_PSP

The PSP is a lot slimmer than Intel ME. It also doesn't randomly yank traffic for specific ports from your Ethernet.

I havent looked at the presentation yet, but are you saying the PSP, like intels ME could be doing nefarious things since its proprietary and closed? Do you have a link to information on the network capturing thing? I mean is that really a thing?

I have heard of these things before but I am not quite sure what the possibilities are. Do you have a link that can summarize what this actual means in terms of security concerns?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by csdvrx »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #298
Goronmon wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

Same. Everytime I get excited about Framework, Syste7m6, etc... and then get sad. I fully understand I'm a vanishing minority, But trackpoint is such a productivity booster for me, and makes such amazing use of space in a laptop format, that it's a must-have (and again, I fully understand that those who don't use Trackpoint will have no comprehension of what am I going on about; I'm a grouchy quirky old man :). Then…

> the collapsed arrows which I don't even understand - you have the room, it's right there, nothing is using it... why is everybody making up and down arrows functionally unusable (I want to blame Apple, but as Obi Wan said - who's the bigger fool, the fool, or the fool that follows :)

This so much!!

I miss PageUp and PageDown there so much I refuse to buy anything but thinkpads right now.

The last alternative brand was Dell, which adopted the stupidly huge Left and Right arrows, and that's even seen on customer line Lenovos now :(

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