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When buying the dip doesn’t work: An analysis of the dot-com crash

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Re: When buying the dip doesn’t work: An analysis of the dot-com crash

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Given that global warming will cause the global economy to contract one way or another within the next 100 years (either we willingly contract to soften the blow, or keep going and producing more greenhouse gases until a massive crash), I really don't think this is the right time to think in these terms.

Wouldn’t global warming increase asset price in many areas. Food will be more expensive. Housing more expensive. Green Energy is more expensive. Just look at Germany and California electrical rates. I don’t see how it’ll reduce prices

Green energy itself is cheap. What makes energy expensive in Germany is that we need to fall back on natural gas energy so often.

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Your strategy sounds like "pick winning stocks"? A strategy which has been show to produce (on average) worse returns than index investing. Index investing has produced a ~200% return in the past 15 years (from 2007 peak to now). Not sure what you mean by "a chance of seeing a profit in your lifetime".

There's a third strategy of "index minus bullshit stocks" where you would include both INTC and AMD stocks for risk hedging, but would leave out things with questionable sustainability like Uber and Netflix that otherwise made it into the index due to the speculative value.

This strategy would miss some huge and unexpected gains. Tesla comes to mind (at least for the time being...)

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You just described a hobbyist. Institutions don’t sit on cash for that long, nor do they buy S&P in any significance. [0] Berkshire Hathaway - https://www.dataroma.com/m/holdings.php?m=BRK

Yes — I called it ironic because a hobbyist sitting on cash out performed the market over the past six months. Institutions “making moves” aren’t magic — and often fail to beat indexes, which in turn failed to beat cash over the past six months. Sometimes the hobbyist mindset wins.

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Re: When buying the dip doesn’t work: An analysis of the dot-com crash

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Buy all the time. Only reliable way to win.

Past performance is not indicative of future results. Japan stock market JP225 didn't recover yet from 1990 crash.

If you invested only in the Nikkei on the way up and on the way down, you still came out fine. The only person who didn’t is the person who put all of their savings in at the very top and never bought again.

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Juicero was the mirror product, then: An overpriced orange juice machine, with little packets that you can only buy on subscription, but can’t suspend while on holidays, with a QR code to prevent you from consuming after your holidays. It is also down if it can’t reach the Wifi. It showed that you can overcharge and make everything become a cloud subscription, because money was unlimited on the consumer side this tim…

While I can see luxury food delivery kind-of working (wealthy workers in the office ordering lunch, wealthy home workers ordering lunch, fitness nuts who want calories and good food without cooking), Juicero was just plain ridiculous. Competition from local supermarket is too strong. I can get freshly squeezed juice from the store machine anytime I want for cheap.

> Competition from local supermarket is too strong.

Honest question: Do startup millionaires still go shopping themselves? I imagine when you are between the area where you have a gardner for time-to-time tasks and don’t have “un majordome” yet to serve you at any time, there’s an entire higher-class-market-but-not-elites who would be interested in Juicero?

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The historic average for interest rates is considerably higher than it is right now. Considering the amount of public debt outstanding - it's extremely unlikely we're returning to those levels of interest rates long-term (short-term I suppose anything can happen). Interest rates have a huge effect on P/E. I wouldn't expect CAPE to match historic trends if interest rates don't.

1. Nominal interest rates are pretty normal right now. 3.3% on a 10y, that's not bad in history. 2. The government's debt is fixed. Only new deficit is on higher rates. 3. Completely agree, my thesis is that interest rates are going to continue to go up (IMHO 4%, 4.5%)

> 2. The government's debt is fixed. Only new deficit is on higher rates.

This is not that relevant because the government is completely dependent on borrowing new money to pay of old debt.

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Notice you said disposable income rather than income, there is a huge difference. But I think people recognize the housing bubble that popped in 2008 as a bubble. Saying we haven’t reached the peak of the last bubble doesn’t mean we aren’t in a bubble.

There were structural/regulatory reasons that helped the bubble grow last time, are there any indications of this now? If they are there we probably won't know until it's too late, but this housing bubble feels a little more like an everything bubble

Artificially low interest rates for a decade could have a similar effect

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An index never includes dividends. An index fond might (accumulating) or might not (distributing).

https://personal-financial.com/2020/11/27/the-dax-and-its-di...

Thanks. Learned something today.

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Look at a chart of the S&P 500 from 1920 to 2008 and you'll notice something rather curious: the stock market has gone parabolic ever since the financial crisis. What made this period so unique? Tremendously low interest rates coupled with quantitative easing dissuaded capital from financing the real economy and instead encouraged herding and levering up in the financial economy for returns. At ever dip, it was an op…

> The COVID fiscal canon blew growth and inflation skyward. COVID is going on for two years now. What really changed is the Russia-Ukraine war, this goes with higher energy and higher food prices (most of the wheat and fertilizers come from that part of the world) that all that stuff trickles down, as they don't know how to fix the metrics now (i guess no one was prepared for such a turn of events...) Most of the met…

As we transition out of the emergency mode of Covid the bill will be coming due at some point. Governments spent a whole lot of money to not generate any real work in the economy for two years

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It feels like the vast majority of the comments are negative towards the stock market and essentially saying “we may not recover this time”. The thing is, we always think that. We always think this time is different. We always think this might be the end. When Covid struck? It was different because the world economy was shut. When 2008 happened? It was different. 2000? Different. 1987? Different. Markets will eventua…

I feel like this comment is well addressed in the article, where it shows how long it would take to get back to even from various dip-buying scenarios. Some of the timelines are far longer than most people would be able to cope with.
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