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What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Cynically untrue. Amazon is not even close to bottom of the barrel. And it's clear you haven't paid market rent in a major city since you bought that starter home back in the 90s - 42k is a joke when your rent is close to $2500 and you get no benefits.

So rent a room and/or don’t live in the best part of the city. That’s what I did near Boston a few years ago. My rent was well under $1000. Do people think they’re entitled to private apartments in the most expensive cities in the world?

Boston is actually an amazing example of things the US needs to do to enable affordable living.

The expansive public transport network allows you to live far from the city without incurring huge commute times. That paired with the density means that car ownership is discouraged, which takes away another expense. Lastly, the city continues building multi-family middle housing in the city outskirts which keeps housing availability high.

High density and walking/public space culture comes with many other advantages. High footraffic means restaurants can run low-margin, high-volume food that poor can afford. The public spaces mean that restaurants can operate low-overhead businesses out of food trucks and holes in the wall.

Speaking if public spaces, they've generally (idk how, it is more localized there) managed to avoid the violent homelessness problem of the other major cities. Violent homelessness disproportionally affects poor people as they are more reliant on public spaces and safety in numbers. This has helped the city avoid an SF/Portland/Seattle-esque deterioration of entire neighborhoods.

Most American cities don't have any of these pros, which leads to skyrocketing costs associated with city living.

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> Do people think they’re entitled to private apartments in the most expensive cities in the world? Yes, they do. Read any thread on a vaguely left-leaning subreddit that even starts approaching discussions of renting, or landlords, or landlord-tenant relations, and you'll get flooded with comments so detached from reality it will stun you.

I can't believe people are so detached from reality that they feel entitled to live within driving distance of their job...

In Europe, you could easily get that, except the car or driving part.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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It means “I would prefer the human race dies off rather than reproduce”. Sure, you can make decisions for your own health and personal reasons. But if you truly decide not to have children because of “global warming” as if the planet gives a fuck (it’s only an issue for humans - the planet will live on for billions of years) then you are saying humans as a species are a cancer that must die off. And I find that total…

> It means “I would prefer the human race dies off rather than reproduce”. Who is saying this?! Regardless, there are 8 billion humans from a population pool that may have at times dropped to as few as a few hundred. So risk of human extinction is far less than the (very real) risk of making lives of future generations much shittier.

That is the whole point of this thread - people who choose not to reproduce because of global warming, Trump, or [insert some society problem] is saying “I’d rather humanity die off than try and let future generations solve the problems I see”. It’s ludicrous.

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"I take it that this was not a criminal prosecution that might result in actual jail time." Criminal summary offense (dog off leash) which carries the possibility of up to 90 days in jail. Instead of charging the off leash offense, they wrote the charge for a dangerous dog. This incorrect charge carried with it pretrial restrictions only found under that charge (dog could not leave our property, etc). "Part of the "t…

I've had first-hand experience with this but in the opposite direction. Had a cop cut me a break on a ticket and charge me with a lesser offense than the one I actually committed. When I went to pay the fine (this was a long time ago, before the internet) I was told the ticket hadn't been filed and so there was no fine to pay. Fast forward a year and I get a court summons for this ticket. At this point I'm annoyed en…

You need to share the actual details

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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>how modern work for a lot of jobs has become de facto indentured servitude...The average worker can't afford anything without taking on debt. For people from other countries wondering about the veracity of these claims, let's take an example: The typical shitty job everyone on here complains about is working at an amazon warehouse. This is a job people with no skills take on. They pay 15 USD an hour. In other curren…

> Americans are just so rich they are out of touch with reality. It’s this one. As a Canadian, I can’t take anything they say seriously about their housing “crisis” or cost of living. Almost everything is more expensive in Canada and most jobs pay a lot less, but things are still not really that bad, so I know that the Americans just like to complain. The only way it’s possible for an American to struggle financially…

> Almost everything is more expensive in Canada

Everything except the most expensive things. Paying 20% more for cheese is fine when you're saving 95% on healthcare.

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It's not the wage that needs to change it would be the prices of housing in the city. This can't change because it's not determined by some governing body. It's called gentrification. It's currently happening to me. I could not afford to buy my house now and I just bought it a few years ago. Of course there still needs to be staff in the area working retail etc. but I haven't seen anyone over 25 in a store near me fo…

> This can't change because it's not determined by some governing body. It actually is. Rents are expensive because zoning laws severely limit density and require lots of car parking.

Even in cities that don’t require that, rents are still expensive (with the exception of Tokyo where you can rent a 2.5 tatami sized apartment, shared toilet, no central heating, for $300/month).

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Some yardsticks for when I think about jobs I once had or that family members have had, compared to the relative comfort of a job (self-employed or otherwise) in technology. Just some things that give me perspective.

- Does someone come in to do it, or does your job involve you taking your turn to clean the toilet and bathroom?

- Are you required to wear a name tag? Does this affect the perceived power dynamic in your day to day interactions? To wear a work uniform? To take home and clean your own work uniforms?

- Are you likely to get physically injured at work? Would you lose the ability to work or get pushed out of the schedule if this happened?

- Do you definitely or essentially need a vehicle to do your job — your own vehicle — operated and maintained at your expense, without which your job would be in jeopardy?

- Are there elements of your job that are undeniably hazardous to your health, but which you must not complain about to keep your job?

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>> A meatgrinder job is a job that pays more not because there are fewer people who can do it, but because there are fewer people that will. They have insanely high turnover, because some aspect of the job is so bad that the vast majority of people who try it don’t stay. Maybe it’s long hours that never stop or maybe it’s constant on-call work. Maybe it’s an insane, stress-intensive workload you can’t begin to keep u…

> Pediatric oncology. ... Or criminal defense attorneys/prosecutors. Not detracting from the point but, in either case, this person is not going to be on the breadline as a consequence of quitting his/her job. They will get a similalrly high paying and high prestige job the next day.

What high paying jobs do doctors get that aren in medicine?

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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"Spending $2,500 on rent is insane" That's not normal, but it is simply what it costs to live in NYC or SF or London. I know tons of people who pay north of $2,500/month for decent (not fancy) apartments in central neighborhoods of those cities. And $3-$4k/month is very common for a single person.

Yes, and I would bet that those people you know paying $2500/mo are not earning $15/hr. And no, it is not simply what it costs to live in NYC, unless you think you absolutely must live in Manhattan below 96th st. This is like saying the cost of a car is $65,000, because the only car I accept is a BMW X5. Ok, if that is your standard, then yes a car will cost you $65k. But there are cars available for much cheaper, th…

I did not say it was the floor, obviously, but it is literally the average rent, give or take.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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In the case of LEOs or prosecutors, I think many give up the search for truth and give in to the us-vs-them mentality. The cognitive dissonance and pressure of group dynamics make it almost a certainty. There is huge power in law enforcement and prosecutorial discretion. Yes, some parts of the job have to be strict for safety purposes. There are many other parts that don't. I've had prosecutors and police know that o…

Defense & prosecution aren't on a search for truth, they are on a search to make the best possible case for & against you, respectively. That's their role in the system. Law enforcement (officers, investigators) I would hope to be on the search for truth.

> Defense & prosecution aren't on a search for truth, they are on a search to make the best possible case for & against you, respectively.

The most important things prosecution does are: decide who to prosecute, decide when to ask for bail, decide what sentence to ask for. This all has a lot more to do with societal values than making a strong case.

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