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Re: MDN Plus

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Post by tdy_err »

chatmasta wrote: post #195

Fundamentally, maintaining MDN is costly because of the rate of instability in rapidly changing browser APIs. Those APIs change quickly and inconsistently because they’re managed by a centralized cabal of a few corporations with a combined multiple trillions of dollars in market cap. And yet, somehow it’s Mozilla, the browser vendor with the least money, that ends up saddling the cost for MDN. Why is this? In general…

> maintaining MDN is costly because of the rate of instability in rapidly changing browser API

MDN is a wiki and maintained by innumerable contributors

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by cxr »

clairity wrote: post #309
cxr wrote: post #294

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> i really hate this "users told us" phrasing[...] this is one of those cargo-cult product (marketing) phrases i hear over and over Except that's a made up quote. That phrase doesn't appear anywhere in the part you lifted from the blog post (the thing that's an _actual_ quote) or any other part of it.

talk about a "whoosh"! sometimes we characterize a phenomenon with a succinct phrase that's meant to represent more than the literal quote.

That's not a "whoosh". I know what you were doing. (And it's a rotten thing to do—not least of all because your fake quote changes so much that it differs substantially in a way that your comment is not even relevant to what they actually wrote.)

Don't make up quotes. It's against the rules.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13602947>

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15893789>

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by nathancahill »

flatiron wrote: post #54
nathancahill wrote: post #29

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The legal liability was too much to stomach. Look at the lawsuits against Mega.

it got flooded with hosted malware as well. i think the free tier had a file size limit which at least clamped down on sharing pirated eldenring and blu-rays. apparently worked perfect for malware though

That limit was 1gb iirc. Your average movie torrent is 700mb.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by zepearl »

pevey wrote: post #303
zepearl wrote: post #172

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(unrelated to the main topic) > The other day I wanted to learn Svelte... Any highlight(s) regarding positive/negative experiences that you had with Svelte so far? Asking because it's on my to-do list for my future frontend (bought 2 books about it, but pending to be read as I'm currently first trying to assimilate "Rust" to program the backends) and I ended up selecting Svelte as potential best candidate after havin…

I'm not the OP, but I find working with SvelteKit to be an extremely positive experience. It has completely re-sparked my love of programming. For the older people here on HN, maybe you can relate to this: I remember back in the late 90s when the LAMP stack first became a thing. We can poopoo it now, but it's really easy to underestimate the effect that stack had on soooo many developers. Going from static HTML to a…

Great to hear, thanks a lot for your feedback :)

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by notriddle »

drstewart wrote: post #269
notriddle wrote: post #242

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The short version: There is no particular reason to expect governments to be bad at this. Sure, they won't be able to roll out new features as quickly, but there's a lot of private-sector BS and necessary evils that they won't roll out, either, because they won't have to. The state has been in the business of establishing standards since the dawn of time for good reasons. Tech companies are incentivized to constantly…

>The short version: There is no particular reason to expect governments to be bad at this. This. Look at the real NATO, when they band together and tell an adversary (Russia) not to break standards (declare war), they listen. A web NATO would be just as effective. You are right.

You think private industry can do better? I don't.

If the (admittedly biased) reports I've heard are any indication, Putin has surrounded himself with yes-men, causing him to overestimate his chances of winning. In economic terms, this makes the war "stupid," because it lowers the utility for both sides of the conflict. Economic solutions, which work by trying to align the interests of the many with the interests of the individual, don't work on stupid people, who cannot be relied upon to act in their own self-interest.

Expecting the government to succeed in literally everything they try, even in the presence of unpredictable stupid people, is pretty unrealistic. I just want to know if they'll do better than private industry.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by Darmody »

Grumbledour wrote: post #282
Darmody wrote: post #233

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It just doesn't revert to the old download. As I said, the first thing I did when I saw the release notes was checking how to go back to the old settings. I tried that on 2 computers, both using linux (Ubuntu and PopOS), without any luck. It doesn't ask me anymore what if I want to open the file or save it.

I walked into this trap yesterday as well. The reason being, they also changed many of my settings regarding application handling. While before that change, it was "Always ask" across the board, after the update, many file types were set to "Save File". So in addition to the about:config setting you should also check what is set for specific file types and revert that to "Always Ask". This is the kind of change, if t…

Apparently it works with some files. I downloaded a .torrent file and the download prompt showed up.

It doesn't work with images, videos, spreadsheet files, etc.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by trulyme »

hipjiveguy wrote: post #254
KindAndFriendly wrote: post #58

The other day I wanted to learn Svelte. Even though the tutorials on the Svelte homepage are great, I found the MDN Svelte tutorial to be better: it explains the conceptual differences wrt other frontend frameworks well, it explains in detail how to enable Typescript and migrate your projects, and it has a dedicated section that describes different deployment options. While of - of course - all of these infos can be…

I only realized this a bit ago, but the docs of every product are essentially press pieces. They can't really call out "we suck at this", or "product X is way better, use it instead". Only third parties ever do this, so that's what this is so often the case.

OSS actually sometimes does that - here is what we do, and hey, someone else is doing something similar.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by ComodoHacker »

cxr wrote: post #287
ComodoHacker wrote: post #275

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The only thing missing from this announce is the promise that all proceeds go to MDN and nowhere else, like subsidizing a failing product or paying C-suite bonuses.

It's a wiki (at least it used to be). A lot of people, including me, spent a lot of time and effort building up the content on the site. Not for nothing—I got an intercontinental flight, a stay in a nice hotel, and a conference ticket in a new city—but many of the people who made the developer.mozilla.org content what it is are never going to see any of that money. The MDN staff, though, some of whom are almost certa…

Are you arguing Mozilla shouldn't add paid subscription, or you're just expressing grief that you as a contributor won't see that money?

You can get into MDN team and get "overcompensated" too. There must be plenty of budget after recent layoffs, right?

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by Vinnl »

SECProto wrote: post #293
Vinnl wrote: post #272

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I feel like you might be missing the point I'm (and GGP's) trying to make. If you're considering whether to give your money, why would you focus on exec salaries rather than results? So the comparison is: if you're buying a jar of peanut butter, why would you focus on what their execs are paid, rather than the peanut butter it will get you? (And to pre-empt that: I'm not saying you can't criticise results. I'm saying…

> So the comparison is: if you're buying a jar of peanut butter, why would you focus on what their execs are paid, rather than the peanut butter it will get you? I think we both agree on this. What they pay their execs is irrelevant. What I'm saying is, I'm not buying peanut butter, it's available for free. I am considering donating money for the peanut butter I already get for free, but the grocery conglomerate that…

I usually bring this point up when discussing donating to charities, so I'd say: you're not buying access to MDN for yourself, you're buying it being available for free to the world.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by [deleted] »

tdy_err wrote: post #310
mstade wrote: post #290

Wait, so you mean to say I can pay $50 a year for high quality documentation that is eminently useful in my day to day work, and I get things like notifications when said content changes? And on top of that, I’ll be supporting free access to said content to those who might need it he most, like kids learning to program or rookies just starting their careers? AND it’s tax deductible? Pfft, shut up and take my moneys p…

Let's hope that money will actually get recycled into MDN and not just into the CEO's $3+ million salary.

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