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Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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Open source malware? That's a new one!

Perhaps I'm overthinking this, but open source malware is absolutely not new. It's been around basically as long as the internet has (and I mean pre-www). You could even argue that it pre-exists the internet since phone phreakers were sharing "code" earlier than that.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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a disagreeable take: why should open source projects make any effort to be accessible to corporations that will never donate or support them?

While the prior post was talking about reticence to trust OSS code in commercial environments, the problem is not limited to that arena. This change hit national news here, albeit very temporarily, not just tech and business news. If an OSS developer can drop a logic bomb on Russian interests, one could do it to anyone else they disagree with, and that might understandably make people uncomfortable. Furthermore, the…

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Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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So basically virtue signalling

Yes but pointing out that the emperor has no clothes is mean, so we need to pretend not to notice. Despite our modern day knowledge that most human behavior is almost entirely incentive-based (the hard part is identifying the incentive), we're still supposed to pretend that it's altrusim.

I've experienced too much altruistic, generous, kind behavior to support this cynical view, unless you're defining "incentive" so widely as to be meaningless (sure, some people are incentivized to help others partially because they get good feelings by doing so -- I suppose Ayn Rand was right all along).

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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To be honest, I'm annoyed by the benign protestware messages when they start to get in the way of using the software, particularly on mobile. I was looking at the isomorphic git documentation the other day, and noticed that their "#BlackLivesMatter #DefundThePolice" banner scrolls under the rest of the content, leaving this annoying gap that takes up screen real estate, especially in landscape mode on a phone.[0] Wha…

That doesn't have much to do with open source, though. Corporations selling proprietary stuff are more than happy to slap slogans and hashtags all over it to promote their devotion to some political cause of the day. Unlike open source "as-is no warranty clauses," their licenses tend to come with a guarantee saying they can't just stop working or break the rest of your system on purpose, though, and if they do, you get a support engineer helping you until it's fixed.

Really, even that doesn't have much to do with open source, since companies exist that develop entirely open source products but offer paid support and enterprise contracts with warranties and guarantees. What this really damages is the reputation of ecosystems that rely upon foundational libraries made by hobbyists and one-man operations as weekend side projects.

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post #143

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If a company does business in Russia right now, they are giving money to the Russian government which will be used to kill Ukrainians. Let's not conflate wartime trade policy with Twitter wokeness marketing.

I know this will get labeled as whataboutism, so to pre-empt that I am suggesting sanctions and Hague charges for all perpetrators, but what is uniquely bad about killing Ukrainians over Syrians, Libyans, or Iraqis?

After ISIS rose I gave up the idea that countries like Syria, Iraq etc can ever become anything more than "hellholes", at least in my lifetime. Certain areas like Kurdistan excepted (and I hope and support their recognization as a state), but in general there will always be one strongman or another.

But Ukraine was different (and I hope it still will be), turning from the world of the strongman and toward Europe and modern freedoms. It was on the same trajectory that Poland went on 18 years ago: a massively better life for the average, ordinary person. Ukraine had troubles, but those were solvable because that is what they wanted.

All of that is now ground up along with so many children under the ruble in the streets because Putin had to establish a slightly larger state.

So when Ukraine was killed, not only was the civilians there massacered, so was the future of the entire country or at least pushed another generation into the future.

I hope neither of the perpretators ever make it the Hague, a few years in prison is nowhere near enough punishment.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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To be honest, I'm annoyed by the benign protestware messages when they start to get in the way of using the software, particularly on mobile. I was looking at the isomorphic git documentation the other day, and noticed that their "#BlackLivesMatter #DefundThePolice" banner scrolls under the rest of the content, leaving this annoying gap that takes up screen real estate, especially in landscape mode on a phone.[0] Wha…

>>Is a single person going to be persuaded to support either cause by seeing this banner on a relatively niche JS library that reduces readability of its documentation? The purpose of the banner is not to convert anyone, the purpose is to demonstrate that the author of the package subscribes to the correct opinions.

This is a bad take. The purpose is, at least partially, that the author of the package subscribes to these opinions rather than others, sure. But this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with them being "right" or not. I don't get a lot of capital at Hacker News by saying that I support Black Lives Matter, but if I do so (and I'm doing so) does that mean I only want to display that I subscribe to the "correct" opinions?

Plus, demonstrating what opinions are held is not the whole point. Part of it is telling others who support those causes that they're not alone. And it's also partially a "fuck you" to those who are triggered by mentions of causes like Black Lives Matter.

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I have long argued that there are things that should remain agnostic of politics ( as hard it may sometimes be ). This trend is genuinely destructive to opensource and I can't help but wonder if it is not done to undermine it by design.

“Politics” Is often what people call serous issues that don’t affect them. So, maybe you’d just like open-source to be the domain of privileged people.

I dislike this characterization ("privilege") as it is part of the new double-speak that is intended to stop the conversation, because, after all, how do you argue against that.

Yeah, I can do some things some people can't, but I can't do some people can. You can make a reasonable argument that everything is politics, but it is slippery slope, because tomorrow I might find myself with files deleted, because I did not read fine print with vegan inclinations of the developer and his stance on this subject.

It can bad really fast. It is already bad. Previously dumb pipes are being coerced to be 'smarter' and it is breaking the basic foundations of society. It is a privilege to live in a society. I think it would help if some naive activist did not undermine its foundations.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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To be honest, I'm annoyed by the benign protestware messages when they start to get in the way of using the software, particularly on mobile. I was looking at the isomorphic git documentation the other day, and noticed that their "#BlackLivesMatter #DefundThePolice" banner scrolls under the rest of the content, leaving this annoying gap that takes up screen real estate, especially in landscape mode on a phone.[0] Wha…

There was a package (that I won’t name) which completely removed their online documentation and replaced it with a BLM message for a period of time. I was floored at that unprofessional behavior. Now when I link to their docs, I always use archive.org to make sure other users don’t run into a similar issue in the future.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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I haven't seen anyone in this thread, or anywhere else, state that killing Ukrainians is uniquely bad. Do you have a source for this assertion?

Actions speak louder than words and the reaction to the current conflict is certainly unique. I haven't heard of people pressuring companies to stop doing business with the US due to the Iraq war.

The simplest explanation is that US companies + media + government is the only group with enough clout to do this, and they will not sanction themselves.

It's not like there's a Netherlands invasion of Germany for us to all use as a neutral reference.

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post #258

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>Put another way, I think being neutral and silent by default is a necessary defense against manipulation. But what if the purpose of the manipulation is to suppress dissent, or at least encourage passive acceptance of the status quo, by convincing people remain to neutral and silent?

The people who have certain knowledge of something wrong in the world, through firsthand experience or domain expertise, should certainly speak out. For example, I'm vocal about accessibility for blind people, perhaps to a fault. But I think we should be silent about things that we don't have direct knowledge about. Otherwise, we're no better than computers in a botnet sending out spam. That's why, lately, I've unsub…

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