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Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Fair warning: my experience has been very different than yours or tombert's in most respects and some things have changed over time (some OSS contributions are now much easier, a very recent change). It is also the first company I've worked for that backed up appreciation for my efforts with compensation to match, and where my management chain cared about burnout and mental health with actions rather than empty words…

> It is still primarily an on-site company. At some point I would like people to quit vilifying a completely legitimate business setup because it doesn't fit their world view. I want to be in the office, and I prefer it when my coworkers are there too. I respect that not everyone feels the same - but I do think it is up to the employer to decide. So I will be picking companies that suit my preferences.

But there is legitimate reason to villify. I can't speak for Apple specifically, but many companies are no longer matching the CoL increases. Housing prices are steadily increasing, and so is rent. Many have to resort to longer commutes, buying cars, and such. All of these have detrimental effects to the environment, mental health or both.

Pushing people back to the office with nothing else is incredibly tonedeaf to the current state and trend of the world. This despite many of them putting up the image they care about these things.

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Personal investments in Bay Area housing by senior execs.

This is exactly it. We've been spending money in our suburbs for too long and it's killing the restaurant businesses that they own. The Gov of New York has basically come out and said exactly that.

> The Gov of New York has basically come out and said exactly that.

Looked it up, came up with this[0].

[0] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ny-gov-kathy-hochul-says-p...

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Politics plain and simple. COVID protocols are very unpopular at this point and not every effective. Florida and Texas are having big inflows, california and New York huge outflows. Whatever your viewpoint this is the fact politicians see. And yes taxes and cost of living are a huge driving force not only COVID, but as long as remote work goes on people will keep moving to low cost of living and low tax states.

The not-just-poll-driven view of this is that you also should take into account: - for many - not all, but many - of the more vulnerable to hospitalization and death, it's now a matter of choice. - As a result, a bigger spike in cases caused much fewer hospitalizations and deaths than previous spikes, meaning less impact on the rest of the health system. - behavior has changed dramatically in terms of things like eve…

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Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Politics plain and simple. COVID protocols are very unpopular at this point and not every effective. Florida and Texas are having big inflows, california and New York huge outflows. Whatever your viewpoint this is the fact politicians see. And yes taxes and cost of living are a huge driving force not only COVID, but as long as remote work goes on people will keep moving to low cost of living and low tax states.

The not-just-poll-driven view of this is that you also should take into account: - for many - not all, but many - of the more vulnerable to hospitalization and death, it's now a matter of choice. - As a result, a bigger spike in cases caused much fewer hospitalizations and deaths than previous spikes, meaning less impact on the rest of the health system. - behavior has changed dramatically in terms of things like eve…

> masks are cheaper and more available than they were earlier

Where I live (California), nearly everyone is using surgical masks or cloth masks, which have been proven to be almost entirely decorative, or none at all, so I have trouble believing this. Perhaps for the vulnerable population.

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People are leaving for FL and TX cause taxes you add in the salt deduction change its considerable. Have lived in FL TX and NY. Add in weather and TX and FL are actually nice places to live for the most part.

People are leaving for FL and TX cause taxes you add in the salt deduction change its considerable. Have lived in FL TX and NY. Why hasn't the Biden administration fixed this, by the way? Anyone know? Frankly it's astonishing how few Trump-era policies have been reversed by this administration. When the GOP-dominated Congress acted to remove the SALT deduction, I always assumed it was just a bit of petty electoral re…

Because SALT deduction benefits only go to the top 5% to 10% income households.

Democrats do not really have a leg to stand on if they want to push progressive taxes. With the standard deduction at $13k/$25k, only the richest households in the solid Democrat states are affected by SALT deduction caps, and there is no reason for politicians not from those states to compromise on it.

Even the politicians from the high tax states have a tough time answering why they are holding up legislation to benefit the highest 10% of incomes of the state.

It was a pretty genius political move by Republicans.

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> There's no shortage of similar examples, from immigration policy to idiotic "easy to win" trade wars to USPS governance, where Trump policies have survived so long that it's hard to believe that the Democrats don't agree with them.

Also, a lot of these things require Senate approval which Dems do not have. When Trump was in office, all the Repubs were lockstep behind him, so he could push through a ton of stuff. Dems have not had this position since the Clinton days in the 90s.

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I left Apple after years of lack of any flexibility on the remote work process. They wouldn't allow transferring to any alternative office for most teams. From what I understood, VPs could protect a small minority of some of their employees if a senior leader made a case to them. Unfortunately, this just seemed to lead to the most politically connected folks going remote and directors friends and favorite hires getti…

COVID made my situation worse at Apple. I worked in a satellite office (NYC), and while in the office, most folks in California were reluctant to schedule meetings later than ~2pm california time because they didn't want to keep people in the office late. When we went fully remote, suddenly it seems like any compunctions about that vanished; I would have meetings until 9pm 3 nights a week, I guess because the manager…

This is true globally.

Remote work became anytime work.

Most arent as blatant as setting up ridiculous times in the calendar, but the same goal is achieved by more insidious means. For example, a manager assigning a task that needs to be completed before the next day at 5pm.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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People are leaving for FL and TX cause taxes you add in the salt deduction change its considerable. Have lived in FL TX and NY. Add in weather and TX and FL are actually nice places to live for the most part.

People are leaving for FL and TX cause taxes you add in the salt deduction change its considerable. Have lived in FL TX and NY. Why hasn't the Biden administration fixed this, by the way? Anyone know? Frankly it's astonishing how few Trump-era policies have been reversed by this administration. When the GOP-dominated Congress acted to remove the SALT deduction, I always assumed it was just a bit of petty electoral re…

> When the GOP-dominated Congress acted to remove the SALT deduction, I always assumed it was just a bit of petty electoral revenge that would be reverted almost immediately

The thing with capping SALT is that it is all of petty electoral revenge, a structural incentive to state policies Republicans like, and, because of who is individually impacted by first-order effects of the cap, a political trap for Democrats.

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> If I hadn’t been fully vaccinated just before the first time he got it, I’d probably be dead. Statistically speaking, that isn’t true.

Statistically, people don’t have a screaming peak infectious toddler in their face without a mask let alone proper PPE for an hour+ (before I could even attempt basic precautions). Statistically, Li Wenliang shouldn’t be dead either. The statistical results reflect the range and distribution of the entire populations exposure and immune responses, which by their nature have outlier situations and responses. Most dise…

> a statistically significant population of infected toddlers and unvaccinated otherwise healthy middle aged adults to hold them for an hour.

Oh yeah we did that, it was 2020. Turns out basically none of the toddlers died, and for the middle-aged adults, "probably be dead" is > 51% chance, not < 1% as it was in reality.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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From the article, in office is 3 days per week - > We will then begin the hybrid pilot in full on May 23, with people coming to the office three days a week — on Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday — and working flexibly on Wednesday and Friday if you wish.

I'd think Tu-Wed-Thur in the office would be better, as having more time contiguous seems like it'd make more sense somehow?

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