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Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by outworlder »

fosk wrote: post #277
k0k0r0 wrote: post #263

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> Putin is very rational and predictive. To be honest this war does make me doubt my assption that Putin is very rational and predictive. What is the rationale behind such a full-scale invasion? I don't see benefits that outweight the costs. I am happy to hear them, if they are any.

If Ukraine becomes a NATO member, Russia won’t be able to defend it’s border from a conventional attack. By looking at a map, this is quite evident.

What's Ukraine bringing to the table that's not already accomplished by the multiple NATO members already bordering them?

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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philipkglass wrote: post #299
credit_guy wrote: post #260

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Given this piece of information, it's hard to see how 500-600,000 m3/a could be used for the lasers used in chip manufacture. Even if the whole world production drops by 99.9%, there's probably going to be more than enough for those lasers to continue working. Edit: it also appears that the current state of the art chip manufacturing does not use excimer lasers anymore [1], and the prior generations used them, but no…

Those krypton fluoride and argon fluoride lasers are exactly the lasers that use neon, even though "neon" is not in their name and their respective Wikipedia pages do not currently mention it. See for example this 2016 announcement from laser supplier Gigaphoton: https://www.gigaphoton.com/en/news/3797 "Gigaphoton to Begin Field Evaluations for Neon Gas Recycling System “hTGM”" In KrF and ArF excimer lasers, which ar…

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Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by tablespoon »

abc789654567 wrote: post #303
immmmmm wrote: post #225

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We should be talking about human lives. My Ukrainian colleague was terrified for his family today.

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>> My Ukrainian colleague was terrified for his family today.

> Only Ukrainian Nazis are terrified. Ordinary Ukrainians have nothing to be afraid of.

Shouldn't they be terrified of the Russian Nazis?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagners-rusich-neo-nazi-attack...

> Neo-Nazi Russian Attack Unit Hints It’s Going Back Into Ukraine Undercover

https://en.respublica.lt/signs-of-neo-nazi-ideology-amongst-...

> Signs of Neo-Nazi Ideology Amongst Russian Mercenaries

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by jotm »

nomel wrote: post #293
darkhorn wrote: post #166

Some Russian products that you would like to avoid: * Yandex * Lukoil * WinRAR * Kaspersky * Lada * Russian Standard Original Vodka * Stoli Vodka * Baltika * Lukoil * Gazprom * Kamaz * Masha and the Bear * Kalashnikov * Stolichnaya * Ural motorcycles * VK

Could you explain the motivation for avoiding these? Are they run by the government? Is there a risk that they will be? If not, why exactly should I have a problem with Russian software developers?

The Russian fascist state runs mostly on taxpayer money. Hence, as an individual, you can contribute by not funding them.

Less money spent on Russian products = less money going to modern Nazis. It's that simple.

Most people don't really care, but if you do, there are plenty of non-Russian alternatives (which should be quite obvious).

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Post by deltaonefour »

yumraj wrote: post #176
deltaonefour wrote: post #156

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>a benevolent dictatorship doesn't exist, because no benevolent person would survive the process of getting dictatorship. Singapore is the first one that comes to mind. See: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Benevolent_dictatorship Additionally monarchies are essentially old forms of dictatorship with slightly different customs and titles. It's one and the same and plenty of good kingdoms exist. I have PLENTY of examples:…

> Tibet it also an example. A little iffy this one, it's actually not benevolent but the West has definitely painted them as such to use as propaganda against China Or perhaps you've bought on to the Chinese propaganda to justify Tibet's invasion, subsequent occupation and genocide of Tibetans by China. And, China benevolent, oh please...

>You cannot deny that the rise of China has been unprecedented. The amount of people lifted out of poverty at such a velocity has never been seen before in the history of human civilization. That is benevolence. While of course what is happening in Xinjiang is not benevolence; blinding yourself to the good because of the bad is irrational. You must acknowledge both.

Just copying what I wrote earlier. This is benevolence on a scale huge scale.

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by deltaonefour »

baq wrote: post #174
deltaonefour wrote: post #156

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>a benevolent dictatorship doesn't exist, because no benevolent person would survive the process of getting dictatorship. Singapore is the first one that comes to mind. See: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Benevolent_dictatorship Additionally monarchies are essentially old forms of dictatorship with slightly different customs and titles. It's one and the same and plenty of good kingdoms exist. I have PLENTY of examples:…

Singapore, maybe. China, please. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps can't be bothered to look for atrocities they've committed before 2010... US has its share of bad stuff, too, but I never said they're benevolent. They're a democracy, which means the winner of a beauty contest is in power instead of somebody who took forcefully or has been gifted it.…

If you read the last paragraph of my post you'd see I addressed Xinjiang. You should try reading that fully before replying because your response is redundant.

Lifting an entire population out of poverty and into a 1st world status is benevolence at an unprecedented scale. It cannot be ignored.

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Post by deltaonefour »

bastardoperator wrote: post #141
deltaonefour wrote: post #109

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Ironically, I think the above statement is irrational. Why does being a dictator automatically make you more irrational? Absolute power has no direct causal bearing on human intelligence. It does not make you more irrational or more rational. There are plenty of examples of good kings, bad kings, good emperors and bad emperors throughout history both for ancient china and plenty of other civilizations. Modern China,…

History is pretty clear, go check it out. Nobody wants to be ruled by a single individual that operates with impunity.

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Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by pc2g4d »

fosk wrote: post #277
k0k0r0 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Putin is very rational and predictive. To be honest this war does make me doubt my assption that Putin is very rational and predictive. What is the rationale behind such a full-scale invasion? I don't see benefits that outweight the costs. I am happy to hear them, if they are any.

If Ukraine becomes a NATO member, Russia won’t be able to defend it’s border from a conventional attack. By looking at a map, this is quite evident.

If Ukraine is annexed by Russia, the defense of the Baltics becomes much more difficult, as Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania then become susceptible to Russian attack. (Moldova too but they're not in NATO)

In the graph of adjacent nations, Ukraine has a high betweenness centrality

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Ranking-of-centrality-va...

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by deltaonefour »

drdaeman wrote: post #200
deltaonefour wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, I think the above statement is irrational. Why does being a dictator automatically make you more irrational? Absolute power has no direct causal bearing on human intelligence. It does not make you more irrational or more rational. There are plenty of examples of good kings, bad kings, good emperors and bad emperors throughout history both for ancient china and plenty of other civilizations. Modern China,…

> Why does being a dictator automatically make you more irrational? Lack of constructive feedback paired with that all your thoughts including irrational ones are amplified through the echo chamber. It's easy to get caught up with weird ideas (and the more power you have the weirder it might get because you have to solve more complex problems and have much more vast capabilities). If you don't have external feedback…

I agree that this can happen. But the opposite can also happen. There is no hard rule that says what you describe is the exact case for every centralized power.

In fact there are multitudes of successful "dictatorships" throughout history. I cite many in another reply in this thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30459281

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