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New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by chickenpotpie »

oversocialized wrote: post #86

Illegal. One has a right to face their accuser per the Constitution. I also knew a guy where the toll booth reader sent him a ticket for a car from another state with the same license plate digits. Took him forever to prove it wasn't him. More draconian AI computer police is not the answer to this problem.

Did you read the article? It’s not an instant ticket. The offender gets summoned for testing and if the vehicle is loud at the point of testing, then you get a ticket. You have the ability to face your accuser, go to the testing site and prove your car is quiet.

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Post by brimble »

pandaman wrote: post #307
brimble wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Next time you are in a car driving next to a Harley, listen to it. It will be quiet even at a stoplight and inaudible at speed. Do they make Harleys totally different where you're from? Serious question, maybe your country has noise regulations the US doesn't, or something, so they have to modify them for that market. This isn't at all true in the US.

The post you're replying to is not about Harleys being silent in absolute sense but about their noise not standing out to drivers over the noise of other cars, car's own noise, and sound insulation.

Right, I haven't found that to be true at all. Some are louder than others (I assume they've been modded so?) but they're ~always quite loud and do not fade into the general background noise of the road.

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Post by Gigachad »

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #165
UnpossibleJim wrote: post #55

What assurances are there that cameras with microphones won't be turned into devices of mass surveillance of the population at large? It isn't exactly out of the realm of New York's track record, given their propensity towards "Stop and Frisk".

There are no such assurances. It took a very minor annoyance for people to not only accept these surveillance tools, but to actually cheer them on.

“Very minor annoyances” like being woken up multiple times every night. I’ll accept a lot of surveillance to sleep well.

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Post by kelnos »

zucked wrote: post #275
01100011 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They used to do this when red light cameras were popular in California. You could just write a letter saying the person in the pic wasn't you. As long as the ticket is tied to a driver you can basically get away with it via this route. If the ticket is for the vehicle owner then yes I could see this working. Perfect for emissions violations and vehicle code violations. You could also double-check for stolen license p…

>You could just write a letter saying the person in the pic wasn't you. As long as the ticket is tied to a driver you can basically get away with it via this route. That seems like an asinine way to apply that law. If the vehicle is registered to you, it's your responsibility. Lent it to your uncle and he rolled a stop? Well, the car's registered to an owner, that's their problem to sort out.

Yeah, I think this makes more sense, as long as you limit it to automated-fine infractions (and not things like vehicular manslaughter), and these infractions don't affect the car owner's driving record or insurance premiums.

I think it would only take one instance of a friend borrowing my car, getting a fine, and that friend refusing to pay the fine, for me to stop lending them my car -- lesson learned. Or hell, why would I even want to be friends with someone who would do that to me?

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Post by SauciestGNU »

_jal wrote: post #116
jackson1442 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar deal here. Some asshole at my apartment got an expensive new car that literally the entire building (with god knows how many units, it's big) hears every single time he enters or leaves. He revs his engine twice on every single floor of the parking garage and all along the street I'm situated on. He'll even do it for hours on end (he did on Monday!). I honestly think he's trying to harass someone in particula…

If he does that enough, I wouldn't be surprised by someone taking some self-help measures. Gas tank donations are one common approach, as is helping aesthetics by removing those unsightly air valves on tires.

Oil pan drain plug removal can help them change the oil on their car, but remember to remind them to refill the oil or else their engine might seize!

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Post by StockHuman »

e40 wrote: post #57
udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

There's a freeway about a mile from my house. Summer nights with the windows open, I can easily be awakened by a very loud motorcycle. The freeway is raised and I'm in a sort of canyon (no line of sight to freeway, though!!). Maybe the acoustics are just perfect for my bedroom, but I doubt it's just me. There are probably a million people within earshot of this noise. Lest people think I'm a motorcycle hater: I owned…

I live on a little sidestreet next to a highway. The highway is raised (due to being on a steep hill directly behind our place) and has noise barriers installed.

By and large, highway traffic is a low, background static, somewhat like the ebb and flow of a more mechanical wind.

But, because our sidestreet skips a single traffic light on a parallel street, mororbikes live roaring through it, easily louder that anything from the literal highway. At this point, I'd support a ban on motorbikes over 80db.

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Post by chickenpotpie »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #49

Ah just couple more steps away from Demolition man and receiving on the spot tickets for cursing after you stub a toe. I want to like Democrats and I prefer their take on sexual and societal freedom, but they are always doubling down on taking away our rights to privacy just like the police state (violence) loving right wing people in the USA.

What privacy are they taking away? You’re in a registered vehicle in the most populous city in the US on a public road, there’s absolute nothing private about that situation.

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Post by clusterfish »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #156

Good grief. The number of comments that unequivocally praise the police placing autonomous systems to fine people for annoyances. Last year, all this stuff was racist and explicitly targeting minorites, and ACAB. Now, hail the new surveillance state! Go get those people who personally annoy me! This certainly will have no unintended side effects!

Maybe last year was a bit bullshit.

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Post by [deleted] »

acdha wrote: post #274
seneca wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What inside knowledge do you have that indicates it's not true? You can't just assume something is false because it contradicts what you want to be true.

I notice that you didn’t demand a citation for the original anecdote. Consider what it would take for it to be true: did California pass a law treating police officers like sex offenders, prohibiting them from being within a certain distance of a school? Seems unlikely given that they still have resource officers assigned to schools and there’s no way that wouldn’t be a major national news story. Now, given our natio…

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