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Post by mmastrac »

voisin wrote: post #52
650 wrote: post #18

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_rai... "Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said politicians should not be telling the police how to deal with protesters and that resolution should come through dialogue" Millions of dollars in damage by these protestors (railway above). Protests for me, but not for thee. Vaguely remember stuff like: "Your right to freedom of speech stops where it harms others" (hat…

> sadly the Canadian government can override its Bill of Rights whenever they please under temporary 3 year Emergency Measures. …and then face elections with this track record, hence why this is the first time this bill has been invoked in 50 years.

Yes. It's a risk to the ruling party to enact these measures and the next election will determine whether it was the right call or not.

Regardless of the outcome of this situation, the current few weeks _will_ be taught in Canadian schools for the next decades.

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Post by thorncorona »

s5300 wrote: post #164
colechristensen wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've spent more than a decade living in Minneapolis, I wasn't confused by crazy news sources. >At no point were fire and police “afraid” to go places in the city either The police abandoned the 3rd precinct station which was burned down later that night. How's that for being afraid to be in a place? There were plenty of stories of fire trucks not going places for security reasons, and eventually firemen had national…

Oh yes, the glorious New York Times. Well known to not be biased towards police propaganda in the slightest.

Is this sarcasm? The NYT is quite liberal.

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Post by yonaguska »

ff317 wrote: post #230
colechristensen wrote: post #61

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It doesn't look like , it is authoritarian response to something which should be protected. Using government power intended for things like war to suppress a protest is ridiculous, if this is what being "liberal" is about, I'm out. I hope the response is a protest escalation. Not my country, not my protest, but I know who I'm rooting for. Contrast this to what was happening in Minneapolis a couple of summers ago... p…

Serious question though, which applies to both the Canadian truckers case and the Minneapolis example above - does a right to protest an issue also include a right to inflict economic harm (on broader society, in poorly-targeted fashion) in order to raise awareness? Is the amount of economic harm (say, %GDP of the town, region, or country) or how broadly it's targeted ("random retail stores"? "Anything that relies on…

Serious question- how many rights are ok to trample, and how much economic harm is ok for a government to inflict upon its people? I can't take the claims of economic harm from the protests seriously when the govt itself inflicted unnecessary measures that destroyed lives that far outweigh the economic costs of these protests. Besides, the govt can end this issue as well, just end the mandates. The vaccines don't work against Omicron anyways.

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Post by pkd »

belval wrote: post #290
WesternWind wrote: post #191

Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…

I don't support the convoy, but this still makes me extremely uncomfortable. This is an actual extreme measure. When his father used it, he JAILED communists and "suspected terrorists" in Montreal for more than 24 hours without any evidence, effectively suppressing their rights. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis > police officials sometimes abused their powers without just cause, and some prominent ar…

His father used the War Measures Act. This act was enacted to chisel down the powers of the WMA and has never been used since it was enacted.

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Post by ersii »

pkd wrote: post #171
stackedinserter wrote: post #72

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Nobody intimidated or enact violence against Ottawa residents. Based on what I saw with my own eyes last week, protesters and truckers are friendly and peaceful. IDK maybe they turn to werewolves at night, but the most aggressive thing I saw there was "fuck trudeau" signs everywhere.

My friend was accosted for wearing a mask on Saturday in a restaurant. One of the two downtown grocery stores had to close because the employees were being intimated by the protestors to let them inside without a mask. A neighborhood ice cream store employee was assaulted for wearing a mask while walking to work, and the store closed down. The biggest shopping center downtown has been closed for 3 weeks, putting over…

What does being accosted entail?

If it's a matter of being heckled or laughed at, surely one has to be able to deal with that and not scream bloody murder.

(We haven't had mask mandates here in Sweden, so your situation with masks seems peculiar and a bit weird from here)

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Post by defaultname »

refurb wrote: post #280
defaultname wrote: post #265

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"Last poll I saw (Ipsos) said 1 out of 3 Canadians support the protest" That grossly misrepresented poll asked only if respondents sympathize with their cause . If you agree that mandates need to go. Note that when asked directly, 60-70% of Canada are over mandates, and just being asked to show sympathy already lost 50% of those people. But this doesn't mean that those people support this protest. Indeed, in subseque…

I’m not sure we disagree? 46% having sympathy shows it’s not a vocal minority in the least. And sympathy is a kind of support. I mean, you can have support without sympathy for the cause they are protesting? 22% said they should stay, so 1 out of 5 directly support it.

You claimed that the survey showed that they "support" the protests. The question asked only if people "sympathize" with the "frustration" of the convoy. That is a very low barrier, easy yes, given that a strong majority of Canada is tired of mandates. Indeed, the question went so far as adding "may not support the protest" to specifically delimit.

Canadians are very against this protest. If they simply parked some trucks and hung some signs, whatever. Once they were blasting horns 24/7, and then when that didn't work (given that the overwhelming majority of "truckers" are not with their cause and continued working) blocking international borders, the Canadian public turned dramatically against this petulant outrage. Having a bunch of Americans cheering it on, financing it, and even trying to join in has made it a cause that most Canadians find outright treasonous now.

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Post by [deleted] »

worik wrote: post #304
torstenvl wrote: post #249

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$7.9mm of ~ $8mm total donations came from the U.S. and Canada. Please don't say things that are flatly untrue.

> $7.9mm of $8mm total donations came from the U.S. and Canada. Please don't say things that are flatly untrue. Where is your evidence of that?

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

The situation in Canada right now in insane.

Police and government officials are actually trying to convince the public that "trucks blocking streets is an act of violence".

That's the most non-violent form of protest I can imagine.

While at the same time they are restricting the truckers gasoline that would allow them to both keep warm in these ridiculously cold temperatures and move their trucks out of the streets.

And painting people trying to support the protesters as racists and terrorists.

Goodbye, Canada.

Hello, Nineteen Eighty-Four.

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