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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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"... exactly the same group of people lamenting the paying of bail for BLM protesters are falling in line with rights for this trucker group ..." That seems to be a gross over-generalization.

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Please don't add regional flamewar on top of the flamewar we've already got here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Even more stupid: Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated. To which I say: A. I bet more than 15% are unvaccinated because why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? B. If it is actually 15%, that’s not fringe, and also that’s low enough that dropping the mandate should be reasonable…

Others have already highlighted that you can be vaccinated and anti-mandate, which is what many people are focusing on. From a numbers perspective, 91.54% of Canadians 18+ have received at least one dose. 88.91% of 18+ have received two. It's /possible/ that truckers are widely unvaccinated (perhaps they all subscribe to the same train of thought), but it's unlikely.

At this point a majority of Canadas anti-mandate movement, which recently became a majority is “vaccinated but anti-mandate” just because the numbers literally don’t allow for any other reality.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I can’t understand this dichotomy. Just because one is vaccinated, does not mean they are pro-mandates.

I'm pro vaccine but the mandates and access cards and testing requirements makes me sick to my stomach

Same, I'm vaccinated but I recently resigned from my company because they had a vaccine mandate (no testing option) because they're a federal contractor. Now I'm working for a company that has a testing option but I choose to upload vaccine card instead. My personal choice. The company I resigned from dropped the mandate after it was stopped by the courts but the damage had already been done.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Exotic like what, lockdowns for example? How crazy of me...

Quarantines are not a novel or exotic public health measure. Try again. You specifically called out the government making you quit smoking or forcing you to eat better in your original post.

Lockdown and quarantine are very different.

And it's you who mentionned "completely novel and exotic government actions", to which I point out that it's already happened with lockdowns.

There's nothing in history that resemble what has happened in those last 2 years, whether you agree or not won't change that fact.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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It’s a private company, it absolutely does not need to be neutral. They can choose any side they want. If you don’t like it, don’t use their platform. Gosh, when did the notion of private firms got so mixed up with so-called political neutrality? Are people this naïve?

When you have several groups of people who distrust and dislike each other, and you start using your business as a means to support the fight of one group against the other, you only increase the enmity between the groups and harm all businesses by starting a process that forces everyone to choose which group to support. It does not matter whether the reason for initial distrust is religion, ethnicity, race, sexual o…

This is not to say that businesses should not do this, only that they have to position themselves to profit from this change in the market.

Selling to both sides can be a profitable venture, which encourages neutrality, but so is locking in customers by something other than the quality or price of your product

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Hacker News used to be about things that mattered to programmers and startups, etc. Now we are turning into yet another Reddit scream box. This type of article does not belong here. The comments keep turning into pointless vitriol.

That's not accurate. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869.

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I'm concerned about 1st amendment and the soft power politicians have on freedom of speech (yes I know this is in Canada). When the head politician of a country essentially calls your group terrorist, wouldn't that put some pressure on social media or other organizations to restrict access, money or censor speech? Not all violations of free speech are literally police sending someone to jail for saying something. If…

Remember when Trump called antifa a terrorist org? I hope we've learned by now to stop taking the "terrorist" label seriously

Just like people have stopped taking the "racist" label seriously.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt." - Pierre Trudeau, 1969

When trying to grasp the Canadian point of view on GoFundMe, understanding the primal fear this quote invokes in us is vital.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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The vaccine isn’t being forced on anyone. Body autonomy is no more being violated here than any other time in history where vaccines have been required to do certain things, of which there are many examples. Not to mention, all the things you listed at the start of your comment have been done by the Ottawa occupiers. I don’t like to call them truckers because most are not, and most truckers are against this occupatio…

No vaccine = no work = no food = die I'd call that "force" even if it's 2 degrees removed.

You do know that the vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require being vaccinated, right?

Did you know that vaccine requirements for certain jobs have existed for decades, and no one has lost their minds like this?

Do you think it’s possible that right wing politicians are purposely trying to cause outrage over something that has been a normal and accepted practise in order to further their political goals?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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GoFundMe should be political neutral, but it openly turns left. I recommend a long post explaining this phenomenon: https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/why-is-everything-libe...

Anyone complaining about some big "left" collusion is essentially bashing a straw man. The actual truth is that there are more than two groups of political interests. Corporate interests are biased towards corporate interests , period. They're basically indifferent on social issues, and so from the right they appear "left" because they echo the broadest appeal as a marketing technique. Shoehorning everything that you…

Okay, so you are the first person to discover that corporations are not politically motivated but only financially motivated, and they manufacture the appearance of political concern to pursue their financial interests. Nice, cool.

Now explain to me what is wrong with political factions publicly criticizing corporations under the guise of wanting political and moral change at the corporation, when in reality, they are attacking the corporation's financial interests, and their goal is to render their own brand of politics the one that commercial interests bend the knee to.

You have made the empiricist's error: conflating what he discovers to be, with what ought to be.

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