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Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by version_five »

hattmall wrote: post #221
patrickk wrote: post #126

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> You can't even buy appliances designed perform their function well You can't research good appliances either online, because the SERPs are stuffed with SEO-ed blogs and sometimes industry magazines, monetized with Amazon affiliates or other networks, with titles like "5 best dishwashers in 2022". Unless you know someone in the industry or offline with knowledge you don't know what to buy. This is noticeable in many…

One market where this has always been a problem is tools. So almost 20 years ago we were told in shop class that the industry magazines and reviews were basically all paid for by manufacturers. The solution we learned was to always buy the cheapest option first. If it breaks or fails to meet your needs understand how and why and then move on to a more costly tool that you can demonstrate is better in the specific way…

Just an aside as a former carpenter:

Battery powered hand tool systems are a big cost now, especially that brushless motor have got so good. Its important to think about them as a system, like will replacement batteries still exist in 2 years, can more tools work with the same battery, etc. That makes it harder to try something and see how good it is. I agree with you re many tools though. For tools I'd recommend talking to someone who works with them daily to get a real opinion, and wouldn't trust anything I read

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Post by nfriedly »

aniforprez wrote: post #196
nfriedly wrote: post #52

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If you're on Android, try out https://vancedapp.com/ - it's an "Advanced" YouTube player, but they removed the "Ad"s (get it?) Also, there's an option to enable SponsorBlock, which can automatically skip over ads, introductions, etc. that are part of the original video. Vanced and Firefox's addons are two of the main things keeping me off of iOS.

I'm a dumb dumb. Didn't realise that about the name. That's really neat

Same, I didn't get it until someone on reddit explained it to me :)

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Post by theandrewbailey »

zwog wrote: post #71

I hate auto-playing videos. Several news websites in Germany embed an auto-playing video in a news article. Often these videos have nothing to do with the article. And then there are some that even turn into a pop-up player when you scroll down. What's the best way to block these videos (in Chromium)? I wouldn't mind a solution where videos are completely blocked with a whitelist, since I rarely consume videos except…

uBlock Origin works well for me in Chromium. It knows to autoplay on Youtube out of the box.

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Post by vhiremath4 »

I wish I had a better way to support content sites without paying for individual websites. I’m guessing this would never happen, but I would definitely pay a single monthly fee to get access to all the major news sites and if it helped ensure some level of journalistic integrity.

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Post by mindslight »

hattmall wrote: post #221
patrickk wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can't even buy appliances designed perform their function well You can't research good appliances either online, because the SERPs are stuffed with SEO-ed blogs and sometimes industry magazines, monetized with Amazon affiliates or other networks, with titles like "5 best dishwashers in 2022". Unless you know someone in the industry or offline with knowledge you don't know what to buy. This is noticeable in many…

One market where this has always been a problem is tools. So almost 20 years ago we were told in shop class that the industry magazines and reviews were basically all paid for by manufacturers. The solution we learned was to always buy the cheapest option first. If it breaks or fails to meet your needs understand how and why and then move on to a more costly tool that you can demonstrate is better in the specific way…

In the days of Amazon (aka Aliexpress) that advice has to become more nuanced though. You still need a baseline of fitness-for-purpose rather than one-click buying a GENSYM Cordless Drill and thinking it might possibly suffice. And the traditional go-to of (brick and mortar curated) Harbor Fright has become somewhat expensive thanks to Trump's inflation, as well as increasing margins due to popularity (see also: Monoprice).

There's also just quality of life. As a DIYer I'm not particularly concerned about wearing out tools. But still I might want to pay more for better ergonomics, ecosystem compatibility, power, tolerances, or other non-longevity qualities, rather than being stuck with an adequate but suboptimal tool that gets the job done while bothering me.

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Post by bbarn »

idiotsecant wrote: post #272
hattmall wrote: post #221

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One market where this has always been a problem is tools. So almost 20 years ago we were told in shop class that the industry magazines and reviews were basically all paid for by manufacturers. The solution we learned was to always buy the cheapest option first. If it breaks or fails to meet your needs understand how and why and then move on to a more costly tool that you can demonstrate is better in the specific way…

Sometimes the cost for a quality piece of gear is incremental though, so you buy a harbor freight thingamajig then it breaks so you buy the Milwaukee thingamajigfor twice the price, for a total of 300% of the cost of the original thing. You could have saved 30% in that case by just buying the good thing in the first place.

I'd argue then that the level of usage dictated a better one. Most people don't actually use tools to failure. I've owned edging tools, routers, sanders, even a small metal lathe from Harbor freight that have handled 10+ years of very occasional use just fine. If you're using things so much that they fail, yes, buy a more quality version. If it fails on the first use, Harbor freight happens to have a very generous return / exchange policy within the first 30 days.

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Post by pueblito »

colordrops wrote: post #248
babypuncher wrote: post #205

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It makes sense in isolated situations, like Netflix recommending content based on previous content you liked on their platform. I think it becomes creepy once that data leaves the domain where I originally generated it.

Is that really an ad though? A recommendation on the platform itself isn't an ad IMO.

That’s definitely an ad

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Post by ipaddr »

colordrops wrote: post #248
babypuncher wrote: post #205

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It makes sense in isolated situations, like Netflix recommending content based on previous content you liked on their platform. I think it becomes creepy once that data leaves the domain where I originally generated it.

Is that really an ad though? A recommendation on the platform itself isn't an ad IMO.

It is and many get paid for it. You think those top prime picks are most viewed/best rate.. no they are picked by an editor for a variety of reasons some include clauses in deals or money spent/relationship with the studio.

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Post by tunesmith »

It's interesting working for a large employer that relies on ad revenue. Among employees there's understanding that ad blocking bites into our revenue. I'm sure some of the employees use ad blockers themselves, though. And when we get customer complaints about the site acting wonky, they're pretty open about using ad blocking. Sometimes it's possible that the ad blocker itself is what causes the issue. There are be a couple of opinions that folks that use ad blockers are on their own and that we won't cater to them, but the more dominant position is that the people complaining are our most active users and help drive engagement, so there's still a strong argument for the site working well in a "degraded" (ad-blocked) mode.

There's still a sweet spot to aim for that is ad-compatible. For one thing, limit CLS, because I think content that jumps around due to ads has got to be one of the biggest drivers toward reaching for an ad blocker.

Also, some widely-used ad systems are not all that compatible with single-page apps. (Looking at you, gpt.js.) Even if you call their cleanup methods after destroying an ad, you'll have a memory leak on the browser side if you don't completely reload the page/app. So users complain about the SPA "bogging down" as they use it, and they'll often (correctly, even if accidentally) blame the ads. So the ad systems have got to buckle down and fix their own problems if they don't want to drive users toward ad blockers.

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