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Post by achow »

cblconfederate wrote: post #217
ryanSrich wrote: post #93

I’ve been hiring engineers from pretty much any country for the better part of a decade. It still blows my mind that companies are just figuring this out now. It’s not just contractors either. With tools like remote.com, you can hire FTEs almost anywhere. There is no labor shortage. There’s a shortage of adaptable companies. I’ve been preaching this for years, but the new way is here. It’s all about async, 100% remot…

But why do all these companies have to be in america? One often hears about companies hiring remotely, but hardly ever establishing remotely.

To be close to customers?

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Post by mcntsh »

It's not just Latin America. Most of my acquaintances here in Western Europe are getting remote jobs at American companies.

Honestly, this should concern everyone who lives in the US. I remember the big push for remote work being the "new normal" and thinking how this would bite people who live in more expensive areas. Well... here you go.

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Post by MadSudaca »

kragen wrote: post #188
MadSudaca wrote: post #180

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The crab-bucket mentality you talk about, at least in what the belief of business being bad respects, comes from the cultural influence of Catholicism, and it’s pervasive in all LA. I’d dare to say it can be found in Spain/Portugal as well.

I think it comes from the cultural influence of Spain, not Catholicism. I don't see it in Ireland or Switzerland, and not much in France, though they all have large Catholic populations. More generally, I think it comes from the cultural influence of feudalism. Catholicism teaches that wrath, covetousness, and envy are mortal sins, and strongly endorses property rights. Rallying people to confiscate their neighbor's…

Those countries you mentioned aren’t as archetypically Catholic as Spain. Also, remember that the version of Catholicism that made its way to LA through colonialism was, in essence, medieval. While in Europe new ideas entered and became established in the Christian religion, we were stuck with the medieval version of Catholicism for several centuries. It wasn’t until the end of the 19th century that new ideas started entering the collective consciousness.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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Post by cblconfederate »

achow wrote: post #311
cblconfederate wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why do all these companies have to be in america? One often hears about companies hiring remotely, but hardly ever establishing remotely.

To be close to customers?

close? it s the internet dude

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Post by mrjangles »

cryptonector wrote: post #305
zozbot234 wrote: post #187

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Argentina used to be a first-world developed country in the late 19th and early 20th century. The self-defeating crab bucket mentality only took root there as a result of left-wing populist politics.

Argentina had left-wing politics in the 19 teens, well before it got really rich. Perón... is hard to pin down. Gabriel Garcia Márquez has quite correctly pointed out that peronism spans the spectrum from far-left to far-right. People tend to project on Perón what they wish to see. Fortunately Perón is far in the past now.

The opinion you are quoting is just the typical "not real socialism" stuff from people who don't want to admit that their ideology destroys everything it touches. They are doing it right now with Venezuela. 15 years ago they called Venezuela the future of left wing activism in South America, today they claim it was really right wing all along.

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Post by TheGigaChad »

syshum wrote: post #129
the_gipsy wrote: post #62

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Sell that million dollar Bay Are house and move somewhere better but less expensive. Don't worry.

In the 90's they said "learn the code" when globalization costs people their jobs I thought that response about ignorant... However this new method of just "move" is even more ignorant, you can not move your way in to a low enough cost of living to compete with nations that pay below US min wages.... This is doubly true when there is a huge push to increase those minimum wages... So Learn to code from the 90's has be…

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Post by kragen »

emptysongglass wrote: post #307
kragen wrote: post #272

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The salary differences are smaller, in large part because the governments have taken very different policies over the last century. Latin American governments are, by and large, continuing with the policies that have been producing economic disasters throughout that century, though Argentina is among the worse cases. Also, though, the US does have a history of actually pillaging Latin American countries. Like, with s…

They're not much smaller when one factors in the extreme taxes we have to pay in Europe. 49% of a salary for a senior SRE position vaporizes in taxes before it reaches me. That's a salary that would be decent but not great for the same title in the US subject to US taxes. And my union told me they've never seen such a high salary with that title before when I sought their counsel during negotiations.

It's hard to tell, but I think there may be a big difference between "51% of a salary that would be decent but not great" and "literally paying people five times less than a decent salary", which is what the article described. Like, maybe a factor of two. And in Europe you get something extra for those taxes, while generally in South America public services and infrastructure are worse than in the US, not better.

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Post by kragen »

MadSudaca wrote: post #313
kragen wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it comes from the cultural influence of Spain, not Catholicism. I don't see it in Ireland or Switzerland, and not much in France, though they all have large Catholic populations. More generally, I think it comes from the cultural influence of feudalism. Catholicism teaches that wrath, covetousness, and envy are mortal sins, and strongly endorses property rights. Rallying people to confiscate their neighbor's…

Those countries you mentioned aren’t as archetypically Catholic as Spain. Also, remember that the version of Catholicism that made its way to LA through colonialism was, in essence, medieval. While in Europe new ideas entered and became established in the Christian religion, we were stuck with the medieval version of Catholicism for several centuries. It wasn’t until the end of the 19th century that new ideas started…

Right, I think it's more about being medieval than being Catholic.

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Post by kragen »

mrjangles wrote: post #315
cryptonector wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argentina had left-wing politics in the 19 teens, well before it got really rich. Perón... is hard to pin down. Gabriel Garcia Márquez has quite correctly pointed out that peronism spans the spectrum from far-left to far-right. People tend to project on Perón what they wish to see. Fortunately Perón is far in the past now.

The opinion you are quoting is just the typical "not real socialism" stuff from people who don't want to admit that their ideology destroys everything it touches. They are doing it right now with Venezuela. 15 years ago they called Venezuela the future of left wing activism in South America, today they claim it was really right wing all along.

Perón was close personal friends with Mussolini and Hitler, modeling his policies explicitly and in some detail on Mussolini's, and when he had to flee Argentina, he went to Franco's Spain. Mussolini and Hitler rose to power largely on their opposition to socialism, though they did of course attempt to co-opt its more popular policies (and in the case of Hitler even its name), and Franco's opponents in the Spanish Civil War were anarchists who were very explicitly extreme left wing. When Perón returned to Argentina, there were left-wing and right-wing factions of the Peronist Party, who immediately started killing each other --- like, literally at the airport when his plane came in. (This is not a literary invention by Garcia Márquez; it actually happened historically.) Perón sided with the right-wing factions.

Perón is hard to pin down: he adopted the most popular socialist policies with even greater enthusiasm than Hitler did. It's true that he welcomed fleeing Nazis, but he also welcomed fleeing Jews. The clearest aspect of his political alignment is that he was authoritarian and anti-elitist. But I think it's a clear mistake to identify him as a "left-wing populist".

As for the 19 teens, that's when Argentina was at its richest.

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Post by kragen »

tartoran wrote: post #300
kragen wrote: post #294

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Yes, any word can be used metaphorically. I just don't like the metaphor in this case.

Poaching is used across the industry for workforce quite commonly

Yes, there are a lot of people who disagree with me about that metaphor because they do think of employees as livestock. I wasn't saying it's an uncommon opinion. I was saying it's a deplorable one.
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