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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by ayushnix »

arnaudsm wrote: post #298
hailvectron wrote: post #295

Things I'm hoping to see in time for a Framework machine to become my next laptop: - AMD processor options - Keyboards with a trackpoint - decades of ThinkPaddery have conditioned me; I regularly use a Dell touchpad-equipped laptop & contemporary Mac laptop and still pine for a trackpoint. Very personal preference, I know, but hopefully the Framework Marketplace comes to provide this. - Proper 14" HiDPI screen - Long…

You're describing the Thinkpad T14S. It's a real shame it has soldered RAM, I hope Framework's success will show the industry there's an actual need for this.

> You're describing the Thinkpad T14S.

It doesn't seem to have a proper 14 inch HiDPI display. 1080p on 14 inches usually needs anywhere from 1.2x to 1.4x scaling and 4K would need around 2.5x scaling.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by deburo »

philipprk wrote: post #35

Really hoping for the laptop's next iteration to have a reverse T for the arrow keys. Otherwise very solid laptop, would be my first non-Mac choice.

Oh yeah, that would be awesome. I’ve searched for a proper tkl layout in laptops. There’s the current layout in Frame.work which is think is probably the worst, then current Macbook, then finally HP Omen (tkl) (but its kind of a shitty laptop).

Ive also seen a laptop with the arrow keys slightly offset downward.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by Shared404 »

astrange wrote: post #283
Kinrany wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

M1 are not Linux-friendly at all.

Run it in a VM. Works fine.

This is like responding "well you can make the civic look like a sports car, that should cover you!" when someone says "I want to drive fast".

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by bserge »

pvillano wrote: post #271
grp000 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm waiting for something with beefier internals, or an AMD variant, or both. That being said, they'd have to redesign the power delivery system and thermals, so maybe it would no longer be as modular? Anyone with the knowledge care to weigh in?

there wouldn't be any new parts except the mainboard/cpu/heatsink. It's unlikely for someone to want to replace only one of those*. I don't see a loss for customizability or repairability * very few people can solder a cpu and I've never heard of a heatsink needing replacement

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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by Lio »

ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

I wouldn’t buy a Framework right now because they come bundled with Windows and not Linux.

I want paid Linux support upfront.

I don’t want to pay for Windows support, remove it and then run unsupported Linux on my laptop.

A manufacturer saying “this is a Windows laptop but we won’t stop you running Linux on it” isn’t really good enough for what I want.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by Shared404 »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #209

I bought a Framework for personal use and love it so much. I have it running Windows 11, if only because it was easier to get longer battery life out of it without doing endless tweaks on a *nix OS. Upsides: - Hardware feels VERY premium and nice. It's not too heavy. You'd never guess it's the first laptop made by a new company. - Keyboard is a pleasure to type on. I did nanowrimo last year on it and wrote ~60k words…

> a few Docker images running and VSCode with a medium-sized Node project open,

I'm admittedly a hobbyist/novice programmer, but this isn't necessarily what I'd call light.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by nicce »

ayushnix wrote: post #307
hailvectron wrote: post #295

Things I'm hoping to see in time for a Framework machine to become my next laptop: - AMD processor options - Keyboards with a trackpoint - decades of ThinkPaddery have conditioned me; I regularly use a Dell touchpad-equipped laptop & contemporary Mac laptop and still pine for a trackpoint. Very personal preference, I know, but hopefully the Framework Marketplace comes to provide this. - Proper 14" HiDPI screen - Long…

> - Proper 14" HiDPI screen I can't stress this enough. The display on the Framework can't do integer scaling and so almost everyone who intends to use an external monitor with the Framework can't do that on Linux without extremely annoying issues such as significantly higher input latency, GUI apps behaving abnormally, and not being able to use an external monitor and the laptop screen simultaneously. I don't care i…

On Linux, Wayland supports separate monitors natively with different scalings?

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by r_hoods_ghost »

Lio wrote: post #315
ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

I wouldn’t buy a Framework right now because they come bundled with Windows and not Linux. I want paid Linux support upfront. I don’t want to pay for Windows support, remove it and then run unsupported Linux on my laptop. A manufacturer saying “this is a Windows laptop but we won’t stop you running Linux on it” isn’t really good enough for what I want.

You can go for the DIY version without Windows installed, but you have to assemble it yourself and there isn't a supported version of Linux it seems. Giving you the option of preassembled but with no OS installed would seem to be the logical next step before maybe offering a supported Linux version down the line if it's commercially viable.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by tmzt »

spookthesunset wrote: post #303
baybal2 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had clients who were going to bargain for less than a penny

For ten million units, a penny is $100,000. You could give an engineer an entire quarter to come up with a software debounce for less than that. That shit adds up. BOM costs are everything for consumer goods.

I've always wondered why the same logic doesn't apply to using a commercial BIOS. Doesn't the per-unit cost for someone like Compal add up to more than the value in using a customized Phoenix firmware? Even with UEFI the branded option is generally used.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by eloisius »

ohazi wrote: post #197
ad8e wrote: post #165

I checked the keyboard debouncing logic [0] and it was fine. Some keyboards from other manufacturers, notably Lenovo Thinkpads, have absurd debouncing algorithms that scramble keys or add delays, so it's good to see Framework has a correct solution. [0]: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController/blob...

I've noticed that I seem to miskey my unlock password immediately after resuming from sleep way more often than when I use that password at other times, or when using an external keyboard (Lenovo T480). I always suspected that something was wonky, but a weird debounce bug would totally explain it, especially as I tend to type that password very quickly.

I’ve noticed this same thing with my Framework, and thought it must be a bug in i3lock, PAM or something else. Multiple times right after waking it, i3lock tells me multiple times that my password is incorrect. Upon restart it works fine.
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