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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Stuff like this is why I am pro-union, even when I am not a socialist or whatever.

Employers have all the power over employees, they share data indiscriminately, they have all the information and power. It's only fair that employees have some power back and they can bargain together as a group.

(Ironically in "socialist" countries, the employer has more power, because the employer, the union and the state are all ultimately the same entity, as they are all controlled by the party. But that's a different discussion I guess.)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest what’s your cv look like for that rate?

https://battle.shawwn.com/Shawn%20Presser's%20Resume.pdf If it looks surprisingly dull, I hope it inspires you to realize you can get similar rates. I’m not particularly special; just determined, and willing to say no to low offers. (The initial offer was salary equal to half this rate plus stock. Being completely uninterested in stock is a tricky thing — you can offend your colleagues unless you’re especially tactfu…

If you don't mind sharing more:

1. What kind of companies do you consult with? Is it startups, enterprises, mid-size companies? I see you mentioned forming connections with founders so I presume you mostly work with early stage startups.

2. What kind of work do you do? Advisory? Hands-on engineering? Modeling? Architecture?

3. How do you find your clients?

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"To log in, enter your SSN, date of birth, home address, and" No way, no how.

I dutifully entered everything they asked for, because, you know, they're Equifax and they undoubtedly have it already. Then they said I needed a "verification code" and gave me the option of half a dozen phone numbers and email addresses to choose from... none of which remotely resembled anything I've ever had (the email addresses all contained my surname and appeared to be randomly generated). When I clicked the "n…

Same problem here, really shows how good their security and data gathering is.

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In California it’s illegal for a company to use historic salary info for a hiring or salary decision[1], so who is equifax trying to sell to in CA? This seems like a very grey legal area where the obvious use for the data is illegal.

[1]: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

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post #55

Can confirm it is 100% correct. Employed in Washington and California. All numbers were correct for the ones I cared about - more or less. They missed three jobs and the dates were fucked up for a few - but is pretty upsetting. Definitely should be illegal. They even had pay period dates and everything for my current job. Including dates I was doing 401k. Like - what the fuck - why is my employer selling that informa…

"It's 100% correct, except for the errors"

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I don't think Equifax is really the one to be doing this but I do think this type of transparency is good. It will only serve to level the playing field and prevent employers from taking advantage. For that reason though, I don't see many employers sharing these data, especially any who would be on the lower end of the spectrum.

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Very interesting, I didn't expect the accuracy and detail in this data. All of my pay from Intel, Google, Facebook is in here. Qualcomm apparently did not report. Also, Google (my latest employer) pulled the data just before I started working, after giving me an offer. My credit card company pulls the data every month, sometimes 2-3 times per month. Several mortgage originators have also pulled the data even though I…

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For those curious, I requested my Employment Data Report. Here's what was in it: Pages 1-2: Dear xxx, Thank you for requesting your Employment Data Report. Your Employment Data Report includes all employment data sent to The Work Number by your employer(s). An important document titled "A Summary of Your Rights Under the Fair Credit Reporting Act" is also enclosed. Great care has been taken to report this information…

How did you request the report?

https://myprivacy.equifax.com/personal-info

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Learning that this website exists, and then finding detailed and accurate information in my record is what convinced me to start sharing my salary data with my peers. As I see it, this database is a breach of an implicit social contract between me and the companies that I work for. Since my employers apparently have no issues sharing my salary with their peers, I see no reason not to do the same with my peers.

If all employees share their salary information with each other, it becomes a headache for the employer. Each employee may quote the other person's salary demanding a raise. This is the reason behind the "keep your data confidential" idea.

As freelancer I was bringing up the discussion with my peers at a company about the amount we were getting paid.

Recruitment kind of worked like the following: the company that we were all employed at just paid a fixed amount per freelance developer. And the developers all got contracted through a preferred supplier. For development jobs the amount per hour for a freelancer was capped at around 90 EUR. The preferred supplier wanted to get at least 10 EUR per hour, so this meant the maximum a dev could earn was around 80 EUR per hour.

However often other recruitment companies would place developers at the preferred supplier, so they wanted a share of the cut as well.

One dev had the preferred supplier and 2 recruitment companies between himself and the company we worked at, so he earned only 55 EUR an hour.

Once we realised that for the employer it didn't really matter how much people earned, as long as it was no more than the hourly rate the company was willing to pay, all of us increased our rates at the next term, at the cost of the middlemen of course.

However, the recruitment company that hired me told me I could get one final raise, but I was forbidden to discuss remuneration in the future with my peers at this company.

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