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Re: Kodi: An Open Source Home Theater System

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post #171

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I think it becomes FUD when the same message is not applied to other similar products. Windows Media Player must also be used a incredible amount to watch pirated content, but it's not a label we put on it.

It comes down, to me, to the primary goal of the userbase. Primary goal of Kodi/XBMC/Plex/Emby users is generally piracy. Not true for WMP. There is some line but it's unclear and I don't know exactly how to draw it

Are you sure most people who use wmp in 2021 aren't just using it to watch the downloaded movie/show/etc?

Serious question, because most people just do media in their browser or iTunes (or equivalent from various streaming services) at this point.

Is VLC a piracy tool? What about mpv?

I suspect you are deciding what a tool is for and then deciding the motivations of that tool's users based on what you decided the tool is for.

Compare: The vast majority of lockpick owners just think it's a fun skill. They never use the picks other than on locks that are explicitly purchased for picking (locks they or a friend own, usually not actually locking anything, etc). Yet when traveling to (e.g. defcon) places where they will be socially lockpicking with other enthusiasts, the TSA often harasses people for being theives. It's happened to me and plenty of others because folks decide the intent based on the tool.

Re: Kodi: An Open Source Home Theater System

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post #269

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"Most TV's don't have built-in file managers" Lack of a built in file manager on any device is an excellent indicator of "how bad the manufacturer is trying to reduce your freedom."

True, but irrelevant to the conversation at hand. And also ironic, given that most HNers decry smart TVs and yearn for a return to "just a screen", without apps (including file managers).

You're missing it entirely. They want "just a screen" precisely so that they can use whatever they want on it, including filemanagers if they wish.

Moreover, they correctly understand what the TV industry works so hard to obscure. It's computers all the way down. If you're gonna slap a computer on my screen, then let me use it as a general purpose computer. If, however, you insist on putting a computer on my screen that I hate, then make it easy for me to avoid it.

And of course, we know why they don't do this -- the low cost of the TV is subsidized by the data they sell to others gained by spying on you.

Re: Kodi: An Open Source Home Theater System

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That's because you put files in that are in formats no browser can play. Next time, try obtaining h264+AAC in mp4 container instead.

this! if you want your media to be playable basically everywhere, use h264/AVC. sure a hvec-file would be about half the size but who cares?

Even HEVC works depending on the client support; for example, I stream h.265/HEVC to my 4K TV and it decodes it just fine. (Which makes me wonder what formats the OP has things stored in that plex has to transcode, or what client device they're using)

Re: Kodi: An Open Source Home Theater System

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post #75

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This is like saying cars are used to escape from bank robberies or people walk out their front doors to commit crimes. Just insane, sorry.

Try "cars are used to commute". Still insane? No, because that's a very likely usecase. Just like playing pirated content via a media center. Now why would your reply completely ignore the actual likelihood of an event?

No it's absolutely and completely nonsense. Try "Kodi is used to manage and play video files" instead. Because (a) that is not illegal and (b) that is true.

You have no idea how many people use Kodi to manage their dvds they ripped using handbrake, for example. None. Zero. You have no idea how many people use kodi for streaming Al-Jazeera news or msnbc/fox disinformation. So now you're just speculating and trying to claim a useful tool, like a car, can be used in association with an illegal act, like a bank robbery getaway car. That's it. Even if you did have actual data, which you don't, it's utterly irrelevant. There is are multiple ordinary, expected, and designed for legal uses of kodi. Kodi is being used legally, properly and ethically by a great many people. That is clear and not in dispute.

Take it one step further to see it with stunning clarity. What percentage of home computers have been used in some fashion with copyrighted material where Disney et al claim they should be paid ever more and have repeatedly changed laws by paying large sums to politicians to effect that law-enforcement supported revenue increase? With no data someone claims "most home computers are used this way" and makes your comment about ignoring likelihood when called out for it. It really is just a nuts analysis and should be called as such.

Re: Kodi: An Open Source Home Theater System

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post #42

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It’s not really FUD in the vast majority of cases, though. Kodi is used to play pirated content the vast majority of the time. No value judgment either way by me but it’s obviously true. Same with Plex.

Fine, I'll bite. Any stats to back "the vast majority"? Isn't that to be expected of literally any media player software? You obviously need a number of non drm-crippled media to watch and you care about quality/features/availabilty: https://xkcd.com/488/

There is no hard data, of course. But a quick look at Kodi communities, for instance “Addons4Kodi” on Reddit shows that the vast majority of the top posts are dedicated to piracy. And even dipping your toe into Kodi communities shows it pretty clearly.

> Isn't that to be expected of literally any media player software?

I guess how you define the term. Apple TV? No, I’d say the majority of users are watching copyrighted DRM streams. But it’s definitely media player software.

Re: Kodi: An Open Source Home Theater System

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post #77

I honestly can't keep track anymore. I've used plex for a number of years and it's "fine" but they keep spending time developing things I don't want and ignoring things the community would like in an effort to "go commercial" and "legitimatize". I want a media center that can do these things: - access from phone or tablet: remote is nice to have, but on my own network is a must - can chromecast everything - can scrap…

Goddamn that list escalated from “that makes sense” to “homers car from the Simpsons” quickly. I

Plex can do most of the first few things you list without issue.

- movie access - chrome cast - metadata - supports movies/tv (why would you want it to support random videos? Such a weird request) - automatic subtitles AFAIK these all work out of the box

It also supports photo libraries but imo, it’ shouldn’t. Podcasts, again Are feature creep. Audiobooks can be setup and work wonderfully, it just takes a little bit of work and an app like “prologue” on iOs (a fucking amazing app imo)

Your next point about supporting a cornucopia of obscure audio formats is insane imo.

Eboo also make absolutely no sense.

Emulator support? this can’t be serious.

Ultimately, I don’t always agree with the new features that are prioritized, but Plex overall is an amazing app. They also have released really great quality of life features recently too, like skipping intros in tv shows is such a cool idea, and it works really well imo. Also, IPTV/ dvr support has been improving rapidly.

Nothing is ever going to support your list of requirements, and even if something did, it would be such a bloated mess.

Re: Kodi: An Open Source Home Theater System

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post #86

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No. Your expectations from one piece of software are completely unrealistic.

Is this sarcasm? I don't mean any disrespect or negativity, I just don't understand. I'm not familiar with this space, but I don't see why the aforementioned expectations are unrealistic. The only issue I can imagine is big media companies strong arming a player in this space (which I assume is what happens to existing companies mentioned). There's nothing technically impossible mentioned.

More features == more complexity, likely a worse user experience, a huge maintenance overhead, and so much surface area for bugs. Not to mention the black hole that would swallow trucks of cash in terms of development time. Even simple, very purposeful apps are hard to design well. And so many of these features are insanely complicated, even if you don’t realize it. My Plex media library is currently 70TBs of movies and tv shows and it works flawlessly with about 15 active users. I’m very happy with that.

Re: Kodi: An Open Source Home Theater System

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post #77

I honestly can't keep track anymore. I've used plex for a number of years and it's "fine" but they keep spending time developing things I don't want and ignoring things the community would like in an effort to "go commercial" and "legitimatize". I want a media center that can do these things: - access from phone or tablet: remote is nice to have, but on my own network is a must - can chromecast everything - can scrap…

Auto subtitle downloads? Come now if you are only watching rips of your own legally purchased media the subs would be available to you already… unless you aren’t. Seriously though you are asking a lot here.

I think Plex does this outta the box lol.

Re: Kodi: An Open Source Home Theater System

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post #240

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It does sound like you've had slightly-more-than-average bad luck (I had some similar problems occasionally when I had Kodi on an RPi3, but it's been flawless for a year or so after I upgraded to RPi4), but you're certainly not wrong! One point to consider, though, is that most TVs don't have built-in file managers (or, indeed, NAS-connection capability) - for folks who prefer to watch their media on a big screen, yo…

May i ask what flavour of kodi you're using with your RPi4? OpenELEC, LibreELEC?

I've found OSMC to be great, even on RPi2. I tried LibreELEC recently and couldn't get live TV to work acceptably with a USB TV tuner (glitchy). I ended up somewhat going down a rabbit hole of USB isochronous/asynchronous/buffering settings but just went back to OSMC.

You can also use apt to customize OSMC because it's based on Debian[1].

The maintainer, Sam Nazarko seems really helpful too.

[1] https://osmc.tv/wiki/general/installing-packages-via-apt/

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