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Post by grumpyprole »

waynesonfire wrote: post #309
Symbiote wrote: post #300

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This is completely wrong; I think you must be thinking of something other than Dvorak. "The" requires both hands on Dvorak, and "th" is the easiest right-hand finger-roll¹, equivalent to "kj" on Qwerty. E is one of the strongest keys on the left hand. On Qwerty, this extremely common English word requires moving the fingers away from the home position, and the T (second most frequent English letter) is one of the lon…

it's not just left vs right hand. i don't mind using both hands. there are positions on the keyboard that are easier to access than others. for example, home row keys are the easiest to press while keys near the edges of the keyboard above and below the pinky are more difficult. as a dvorak typist for 20 years, it seems to me that dvorak maps frequently pressed keys and combinations of keys in zones that are easier t…

This is where the Kinesis contoured wells help. For example, typing T with qwerty on a Kinesis is no longer a "stretch".

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Post by linsomniac »

FullyFunctional wrote: post #76
thebean11 wrote: post #71

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That's super interesting I have never heard or thought of that. I wonder how that compares to tilting your head back slightly to get the same eye:monitor angle?

This is all getting into personal preference, but AFAIK, ergonomic standards do not exactly recommend eye level, they recommend that looking in a straight line you should see over top of edge of the monitor. There's definitely some tradeoffs to be had as having the monitor too low can put stress on your neck (which translates to neck pain after a while).

That's gonna really depend on the monitor, of course. My 46" 4K, that'd be on the floor. :-) But, I've had pretty good luck with keeping my monitors lower, and I tend to have issues with dry eyes.

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Post by mxmilkiib »

aseipp wrote: post #205
astuyvenberg wrote: post #59

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+1 I really do like my new Moonlander, which I purchased in November. However, as a former Kinesis Advantage user, I miss the contoured shape, I think it helped a lot with carpal pain. That said, I'm not sure I can justify another keyboard.

Yeah, the bowl shape is absolutely the missing piece on my Moonlander. It is otherwise perfect in nearly every other way, and the flexibility from QMK is unmatched. But I don't know how you can reconcile it with its low profile; the Moonlander looks a lot nicer to throw in my bag than the 360 when you pull the wings in... I agree; I can't justify yet another keyboard. But there's the continuous itch to go ham and des…

I got a extra set of legs from ZSA (was cheaper in the Ergodox store than the Moonlander store) which allows putting the thumb pads on the desk, plus MT3 profile caps, both of which add to a somewhat a finger helping curve;

https://i.imgur.com/6H3vZoY.jpg

Thinking about getting on the Dactyl or similar train eventually, maybe in around a decade or so :)

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Post by akudha »

rangersanger wrote: post #69

I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…

All of this sounds great, but it is nearly 450 bucks!!! I’d like to get one, the only turnoff is the price

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Post by Tepix »

Looks really great! How does it compare with the Keyboardio Model 01/100? I think i like the sculpted shape better on the Kinesis, otoh the keycaps on the Keyboardio seem nicer

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Post by stakkur »

jmiserez wrote: post #276
stakkur wrote: post #220

Aaaand despite costing a small fortune and being sturdy….it has to have a ‘Windows’ key. It baffles me how that persists.

With the Advantage 2 you got 4 extra keycaps in the box: 3 Mac keys and an additional Alt key to replace the Windows one. For the Advantage 360 they're saying 11 additional keycaps in the box. I'm sure one of those is a Windows key replacement.

Thanks, didn't know that. But I wish there was a better option for the 'default' key than the Windows logo.

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Post by gundmc »

wildrhythms wrote: post #132
inquist wrote: post #27

FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander

Did the Moonlander take some getting used to with the non-staggered key layout?

Yes, but their site does have some nice practice trainers that help for both prose and coding activities.

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Post by gundmc »

sulam wrote: post #139
jcadam wrote: post #91

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I didn't know the thumb cluster lifted upwards. Just tried it on mine, wow is that uncomfortable.

It isn’t true for me, but what the ZSA folks point out is that for small hands you may need it tilted upwards to make it natural to reach the thumb cluster.

Yeah, I have small hands and it's uncomfortable to use the cluster while WASD gaming if I don't tent it upwards.

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Post by gundmc »

ashton314 wrote: post #86
gundmc wrote: post #41

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My only complaint with the moonlander is that you can't use the tenting at all if you have the thumb cluster tilted upwards.

I have a 3D printed leg to do that. They even showcase it here on their website: https://www.zsa.io/moonlander/printables/

Nice work! Thanks for the tip!
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