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Post by ctvo »

Bayesian_bro wrote: post #246
colinmhayes wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely disagree with your portrayal of consequentialism. Freedom absolutely provides utility, and allowing the government to disappear people who disagree with it is in no way a path to maximizing utility.

The American government "disappears" many people by locking them up in the criminal justice system. It's just for slightly different reasons.

The American criminal justice system has problems. Those problems are systemic and publicly discussed, but the rule of law exists, and the process is public, and you have the right to defend yourself against charges the state levies.

When is Jack Ma's public trial? Peng Shuai's?

Putting things into quotes doesn't make it "work".

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Post by gtirloni »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #287
gtirloni wrote: post #247

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Nobody was arguing, we were interested in their view. You don't know how close we were on a daily basis.

Discussing politics is always getting into argument territory and always best avoided on social occasions, especially if you do not know the opinions of the people around you. For instance, I (in Europe) don't " lightly suggest " things in the US are difficult when it comes to guns/Trump/abortion/etc to American colleagues because these are sensitive political topics and nothing good can come out of that. You mention…

You're imagining wrong and assuming a lot of things.

"Lightly suggesting" something is "difficult" is a conversation starter. Not arguing.

Maybe we're getting into "cultural differences" area and we should probably agree to disagree.

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Post by pphysch »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #268
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American government "disappears" many people by locking them up in the criminal justice system. It's just for slightly different reasons.

You understand that when you disappear someone, it means that you have no idea what happened to them.

Now that this is moving the goal posts. Lots of people go missing and die for unknown reasons, including non-violent ones.

The issue with "disappearing" is that it is done by coordinated groups (including the prison-industrial complex). It is not that we don't know precisely how the victims got hurt.

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Post by high_derivative »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

We are not doing adults any favours by infantilising them at university. It's a big part of the problem related to contemporary college culture.

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Post by jalanco »

sschueller wrote: post #248
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

There are number of places in the US where it is legal to walk around outside with a drink. New Orleans is the place I'm most familiar with but there are others. Some people forget that the US is not a monoculture.

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Post by CapitalistCartr »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

This isn't some kids bullying another kid. These are adults representing a national government. This is a nation bullying someone inside the United States for exercising free speech. The message needs to be received in Beijing, not merely Indiana.

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

geoduck14 wrote: post #207
gambiting wrote: post #153

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If they don't have user accounts and no ads then there's literally nothing to do to be GDPR compliant. Literally zero.

You need to NOT store IP addresses. And the hosters that provide you traffic need to also NOT store them

You're kidding, right? I was hoping after so many years it's clear. GDPR is about personal information. First, if you have no way of linking the IP to personal information, it does not apply. Second, even if it's linked (as in a web store etc.), storing it is perfectly fine! You just need to clearly state what information you store and for how long.

Everybody, also in the EU, are storing IP addresses. Everybody. Even the company who bragged they don't store logs for privacy reasons was caught storing them. It is important, it is necessary, and in many cases required by law.

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Post by zepto »

vmception wrote: post #291
zepto wrote: post #272

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The Tulsa race massacre which has been featured in pop culture and all over the press in the last few years because a lot of Americans didn’t know about it. Vs The Tiananmen Square massacre which is censored to even mention digitally in China, and state agents intimidate citizens outside China just for mentioning it. Also note that Tulsa was 100 years ago. Around the time of the birth of the CCP, which has killed ten…

Okay so a more apt comparison would be 30 years after the Tulsa race massacre in America to see if was easier to talk about it Or 100 years after the Tianamen Square massacre in China to see if its easier to talk about it then great. very productive.

It’s a delusional if you think that in the 50s, there were American agents intimidating their citizens abroad for talking about the Tulsa race massacre.

The idea that it is OK for it to take another 50 years before the Chinese can talk about Tiananmen without fear of state reprisal, seems to be an apology for totalitarian oppression.

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Post by BurningFrog »

sschueller wrote: post #248
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

Let's compare them:

The Tiananmen Square massacre killed off the Chinese democracy movement which challenged the CCP for national power. It set a new course for Chinese government, that it is still more or less on.

The Tulsa massacre was a local race riot, with little impact outside Oklahoma.

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Post by hellbannedguy »

Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

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