Does anyone know if there have been efforts to connect a city's traffic lights/data with a self driving system like this? That crosswalk had a timer on it, and if that status could be accessed by the Tesla in real time, the autopilot would have known not to make that turn even if the cameras were telling it something else. Idk if those things are networked, but it seems like a good investment to do that if it means safer self-driving cars.
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Something I do not understand: there are keys difference between automation in e.g. aircraft, and what Tesla at al are failing at, e.g., how constrained the environment is; and what the exposure is to anomalous conditions is; and what the opportunity window usually is to turn control back over to a human. The thing I don't understand is, we have a much more comparable environment in ground travel: federal highways. I…
Even lower-level automation for highway driving would be super useful. I would appreciate a simple "keep-distance-wrt-speed" function for bumper-to-bumper situations. Where worst case scenario, you rear-end a car at relatively low speeds. I'd happily keep control over steering in this situation and just keep my foot over the brake, though lane-keep assist would probably be handy here as well. A couple radar sensors/c…
In this same vein cars with automated parallel/back-in-angle parking.
I think an even more 'sensor fusion' approach needs to be adopted. I think the roads need to be 'smart' or at least 'vocal'. Markers of some kind placed in the roadway to hint cars about things like speed limit, lane edge, etc. Anything that would be put on a sign that matters should be broadcast by the road locally.
Combine that with cameras/lidar/whatever for distance keeping and transient obstacle detection. Then network all the cars cooperatively to minimize further the impacts of things like traffic jams or accident re-routing. Perfect zipper merges around debris in the roadway.
Once a road is fully outfitted with the marker system, then and only then would I be comfortable with a 'full autopilot' style system. Start with the freeway/highway system, get the logistics industry on board with special lanes dedicated to them and it becomes essentially a train where any given car can just detach itself to make it's drop off.
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Even lower-level automation for highway driving would be super useful. I would appreciate a simple "keep-distance-wrt-speed" function for bumper-to-bumper situations. Where worst case scenario, you rear-end a car at relatively low speeds. I'd happily keep control over steering in this situation and just keep my foot over the brake, though lane-keep assist would probably be handy here as well. A couple radar sensors/c…
I would appreciate a simple "keep-distance-wrt-speed" function for bumper-to-bumper situations. This has been widespread for at least a decade. I'm not even aware of a mainstream auto brand that doesn't offer adaptive cruise control at this point. Every one I've used works in stop and go traffic. The other features you want are exactly what Tesla has basically perfected in their autopilot system, and work almost exac…
> This has been widespread for at least a decade.
I can't say that my experience agrees with this. Maybe some higher-end vehicles had it a decade ago, but it seems to be getting more popular over the past 5 years or so. I still don't see it offered on lower priced vehicles where basic cruise functionality is there, but I doubt ever will be a part of "entry level" considering the tech required.
None of the vehicles my family owns have a "stop-and-go" cruise control function - all newer than 10 years. ACC at higher speeds is available on one, but it will not auto-resume if the vehicle stops.
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#314FSD without LIDAR/radar is a fool's errand. Camera-only systems just do not pull in enough data to drive on real roads around real hazards. For one they do not actual approximate human eyes since our eyes themselves are gimbaled in our skulls and our skull is gimbaled on our necks. Our eyes can switch their focus very quickly and return to scanning very easily. Not only are we processing the visual information but al…
Even worse, we actually rely heavily on our knowledge of the world, common sense,and physical intuition to make sense of our vision.
Put a human in a room with no shadows, unrecognizable objects, and misleadingly sized objects (tiny cars, huge animals), and then watch them fail to judge distances or other vision tasks.
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This was all not FSD beta; those were all on the completely separate public stack.
This is kinda fascinating - factually true statements about FSD are blanket downvoted. Why is that?
"autopilot" versus "full self driving* capable" versus "full self driving" versus "autonomous mode" seems like marketing hype instead of actual improvements. After all, "autopilot" was supposed to drive itself, so what's the new one do differently?
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Drunk drivers on the road are… “fine”? Not sure where you live.
Of course it's not fine in that sense. What I mean is that you don't see a headline on news outlets or twitter hashtags trending for every drunk driver fatality or crash that happens. Which for me tells that collectively, we are fine with it. We accept it as ordinary, as crazy as it may be.
I regularly see "traffic collision kills [person or people]" stories in my local newspaper. I don't know if it's every one, it might be restricted to the extremely stupid (wrong-way on the highway, drunk, or excessively-high-speed) but "someone got killed" is certainly a common story in the news here.
I've certainly seen many more local "person dies in car accident" non-brand-related stories than "person dies in Tesla accident" stories.
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Tesla's system is real time, which means that it makes routing decisions on every frame, and the decisions are independent from previous decisions. It doesn't have memory. It just makes decisions based on what it actually sees with its cameras. It doesn't trust maps, like most other systems. For some reason, it thinks that it must turn right. Situations like these are sent to Tesla to be analyzed, the corresponding d…
You're probably right, but from your tone you seem to be implying that this is in any way an acceptable way to develop safety critical software, which is a bit baffling.
It is safe, because there's a driver who is ready to correct any mistakes. There isn't a single case where FSD Beta actually hits something or causes an accident. So, based on actual data, the current testing procedure seems to be safe.
It isn't possible to learn edge cases without a lot of training data, so I don't see any other way.
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#318Seeing this video, I imagine that driving with FSD in a busy city is significantly more taxing and stressful than driving without.
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#319If a pedestrian got hurt, what would be the legal liability of the driver who didn't have his hands on the steering wheel?
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You're probably right, but from your tone you seem to be implying that this is in any way an acceptable way to develop safety critical software, which is a bit baffling.
It is safe, because there's a driver who is ready to correct any mistakes. There isn't a single case where FSD Beta actually hits something or causes an accident. So, based on actual data, the current testing procedure seems to be safe. It isn't possible to learn edge cases without a lot of training data, so I don't see any other way.
This person is not a Tesla employee being trained and paid to test this extremely dangerous piece of software that has already killed at least 11 people. This is obviously unacceptable, and no other self-driving company has taken the insane step of letting beta testers try out their barely functional software.