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> your actual cost of living is locked in your own imputed rent, if you owned your own place is not "locked in". By living in the property, you are giving up receiving the rent that could've been generated. This means a general rental increase also affects property owners - it's just invisible and often not counted since no money changes hand.
Which you received through your increased salary. You don’t get to double count it.
I believe California is the dumping ground for America's homeless problem
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
One Czech ex-minister of health owns 67 properties. So he probably has a lot of acquintances and relatives among the political elite of my country. To me it seems he has more political power than me, a dude sitting in underwear and ranting on Hackernews.
No doubt high level (ex)politicians are very privileged and operate above most limitations imposed on regular people. But that's moving the goalposts of the discussion pretty far indeed. The original premise was that the entire "55% [of homeowners] wield extremely disproportionate political power". Sure, a few of those homeowners are also politicians with disproportionate political power. But nearly everyone is just…
You: House owners don't have any additional political power than renters.
Me: one dude has 67 properties and connections to political elite, so he probably has more political power than renters. Implicitly: chances are the entire political system amassed a huge amount of properties, and are in one bed with prominent businessmen, who have the capital to acquire even more properties than said politicians.
You: u R M0v1nG tHe gO4lPoStS. You are a clown xD
Re: I believe California is the dumping ground for America's homeless problem
#314I've spent my life mostly in the East (in places where housing is expensive (e.g. Singapore, Sydney, Hong Kong, Shanghai), as well as places with low cost of living in Thailand, Vietnam, and Malaysia ). I have not been to CA so this may be a silly question: What if there are joint initiatives/collaborations between US and its Eastnern allies to sponsor and help people who are struggling on the street due to homelessn…
Wow. So you think that moving people who can’t cope in their own country to a foreign country with a different language/culture will improve things? And you think that other countries would be interested in importing homeless Americans with mental/health issues? Really? Have you ever lived, worked and paid taxes in any foreign country? Then you would know how hard it is to even get a work permit.
Homelessness is a specturm. Some people may just need a lift-up, (or an experience that changes the way life is viewed so they can find meaning in it again [1]) to be back to managing a functioning life again. What you want is to give them an opportunity to be in a less stressful enviroment with proper shelters and foods.
Addiction of any form (to cig, to opium, or to herions, etc, as well the more socially acceptable forms such as to sex, work, consumerism) is a coping mechanism for stress. It's counter-productive to be in an urban setting with the worst living conditions (ie homeless) which maximizes stress in so many aspect of your daily life, and then trying to 'cure' addiction and turn people into a functioning unit in society again so they can work enough hours to make enough income to pay rent.
Perhaps it's more productive to view every homeless person as someone who was burnt-out and broke, and happened to run out of options in their attenuated safety net like getting a loan from their parents to pay rent. And from that on existing health/mental conditions/dependencies they had would often exacerbate, and it got harder and harder to break the vicious cycle.
> ... interested in importing homeless Americans with mental/health issues...
Mental/health issues are a spectrum too. And this is not about "importing homeless Americans". This should be more like a rehab/retreat none-profit program for people who are stressed out in urban American life to experience life in a more stree-free enviroment closer to nature to connect back with the plants and terrains (away from all loud, harsh and unhealth stimuli and mind-numbing concretes, smells and unfriendiness of an overpopulated city).
It'll cost less than the War On Drugs, and if enough smart people are involved, we can definitely structure it in a way where on a long run it'll economically and culturally beneift all parties.
> ...worked and paid taxes in any foreign country? Then you would know how hard it is...
The purpose is to introduce a change of enviroment to a less-stressful one for them. Something like a training visa or work holiday pass (or even an education one [2]) would do. It would be easy esp when the orgs backing you have international recog.
As an NGO, there are many ways this can be executed after fundings are secured. We definitely need to collaborate with local institutes in ways that make sense to them. It can also be something that has an element of spirituality to it (like a church or temple retreat that also helps with rehab), or a commune on self-sustainability (where they'll still have to do work everyday). I see this as the most pragmatic way to lower the cost of living while giving people a dignified living experience that would be much better (and meaningful) than living on the street in CA as a homeless person.
[1]: this is why a change of environment can be extremely impactful to mental health. And this is also why psilocybins, etc, taken in the right settings, are useful for mental wellness. )
[2]: Can typically last 6 months to a year. And if we have 4 countries involved, that will be 2~4 years. After that there are many ways this can branch off.
We can start off with 5000 quota a year to gauge interest (we'll make it easy for people to apply), and gradually scale up to 50,000 in 5~10 years, (while keeping track of how effective this is comparing to the alternatives).
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At this point the only economically rational thing for the other 45% to do is leave. Yes California is awesome in lots of ways, but it's someone else's house (literally) and you don't really live there. If enough people do this, the NIMBYs will get what they deserve as home values crash.
If enough people leave because housing is too expensive, then eventually housing stops being too expensive and people stop leaving. Eventually an equilibrium is reached, but that we might be at that equilibrium already if California’s population isn’t crashing.
SpaceX is leaving. VCs increasingly fund startups anywhere or fully remote. Software companies are going remote. It’s happening. COVID has accelerated some of these trends a lot, especially remote.
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#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ...homeless people are not "trash", but there is a similarity in your thinking... Nope. No similiarity here. We can only solve the problem when we treat people with dignity. We shouldn't alienate them. They are people just like you and me. The idea is to lower the cost while improving living standard for them. > Why should countries like Indonesia, which has a per capita GDP of under $5,000 USD and no shortage of i…
So all the homeless need is a tropical vacation? I'm an expat myself and while not a backpacker, I have traveled extensively in SE Asia. I can honestly think of few things worse than taking people who can't support themselves in their home country and shipping them off to SE Asia where they will be thousands of miles away from their family and friends living in a society whose culture they don't understand. If you se…
I think for it to be sensible it requires a different framing to the problem.
> ...they will be surrounded in many cases by cheap booze...
> ...If you have, you'd know that Indonesia and Thailand are very protective of their labor markets...
> ....do you really think SE Asians want homeless Americans (some with mental illness and substance abuse issues) teaching their kids?
Good points. Related questions are answered here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28346353
> ...few things worse than taking people who can't support themselves in their home country and shipping them off to SE Asia...
Also, we don't evict people and "ship them off". It's about giving them an oppournity with incentives to make a decision in their life, a new chapter that they can choose to embark on if they see it as a better alternative to being homeless in CA.
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
This could be rewritten without any loss of impact. >^ This! The California population is 39 million. The bay area population is 7.7 million. With the 7,000 new apartments coming online we should see a sharp housing price decrease. Problem solved! The sarcasm is implied and doesn't need a "lol" which just looks immature. Insulting the poster decreases the quality of discourse and encourages indecency. It increases th…
"I lazily Googled and disproved you in five seconds" Are you kidding? That was their opening sentence to me. I am insulting? What a joke. I have never been treated like that on HN in 8 years. Spare me the lecture.
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
This could be rewritten without any loss of impact. >^ This! The California population is 39 million. The bay area population is 7.7 million. With the 7,000 new apartments coming online we should see a sharp housing price decrease. Problem solved! The sarcasm is implied and doesn't need a "lol" which just looks immature. Insulting the poster decreases the quality of discourse and encourages indecency. It increases th…
"I lazily Googled and disproved you in five seconds" Are you kidding? That was their opening sentence to me. I am insulting? What a joke. I have never been treated like that on HN in 8 years. Spare me the lecture.
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
This could be rewritten without any loss of impact. >^ This! The California population is 39 million. The bay area population is 7.7 million. With the 7,000 new apartments coming online we should see a sharp housing price decrease. Problem solved! The sarcasm is implied and doesn't need a "lol" which just looks immature. Insulting the poster decreases the quality of discourse and encourages indecency. It increases th…
"I lazily Googled and disproved you in five seconds" Are you kidding? That was their opening sentence to me. I am insulting? What a joke. I have never been treated like that on HN in 8 years. Spare me the lecture.