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From Apple: “The neural network that generates the descriptor is trained through a self-supervised training scheme. Images are perturbed with transformations that keep them perceptually identical to the original, creating an original/perturbed pair.”
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> a non-insignificant amount of people in tech take this seriously We're all here to make ourselves feel good saying we Took A Stand. In reality, four weeks from now, do you think anybody will still be talking about it? I made this same mistake. I was pretty convinced that people were taking Copilot seriously, and that there was possibly going to be ramifications for Microsoft. I wasn't particularly looking forward t…
Can’t speak for everybody of course, but I am currently planning the migration away from the Apple ecosystem and I’m heavily invested (watch, phone, MacBook, Mac Pro, Apple TV). I’ve also been recommending to friends and family to move to droids with microG. The largest concern I have for them is that they’re stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea. Most people aren’t going to run a droid without google, or Lin…
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> I mean for pete sake is Microsoft or Google even trying to compete? Forget the evil monopolies. Consider GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinehone. They may not be ready for an average user, but the HN audience can take advantage of them and help their develoment.
I would love a phone based on the ideas from Plan9.
Phones are products for people who use them. What sells phones is not what OS is underneath layers and layers of code, but user experience. If we are to even hope for alternatives, this is where the focus needs to be.
If the OS underneath mattered the Nokia Communicator would have been a runaway success. It wasn’t. It was a useless brick of a computer that almost couldn’t do anything compared to even the first generations of smart phones from Apple and Google.
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> a non-insignificant amount of people in tech take this seriously We're all here to make ourselves feel good saying we Took A Stand. In reality, four weeks from now, do you think anybody will still be talking about it? I made this same mistake. I was pretty convinced that people were taking Copilot seriously, and that there was possibly going to be ramifications for Microsoft. I wasn't particularly looking forward t…
> Like it or not, we aren't in control. The typical Apple customer is forking over thousands of dollars. They have substantial control. This isn't like a government where you need a plurality of voters to agree before anything starts to happen. Apple is running software on their phone that will either (a) do nothing or (b) call the police on them. The situation is questionable even for a normal consumer, let alone a…
I'm having to buy a smartphone to be able to wash my clothes.
The common, instinctive reaction in tech circles & HN seems to be some version of "consumer action," vote-with-your-dollar stuff. This isn't going to work. It almost never does. At most, it'll be affect a minor tweak or delay. This is a political issue, IMO. A thousand people protesting outside Apple HQ and/or stores is worth more than 100 thousand consumer striking. IMO, the main non-political avenue here is alterna…
If "vote with your wallet" doesn't work and only causes, say, 1 million people (out of the billion+ customers) to switch off of iOS, doesn't that mean that the rest of the billion+ people really don't care enough? Maybe a few million more accept the tradeoff of getting iOS for 'scanning my photos for csam and having the ability to move off of iOS later if they expand usage or this system otherwise has issues'.
Maybe, just maybe, even if a million people complain about this and apple loses an extreme amount of iPhone sales upwards of 20 million, they can still sell 220 million[0] iPhones to people who don't care. We are certainly the vocal minority here - whether or not that warrants government intervention or otherwise harms our society doesn't really matter when Apple still makes tens of billions in profit a quarter.
0: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/04/07/2021-iphone-sales-forec...
Honestly I'm glad to see a non-insignificant amount of people in tech take this seriously, especially when the goal Apple announces appears to be for the greater good. It can be hard to stand on the side that doesn't immediately appear to be correct. We have already lost so many freedoms for 'national security' and other such blanket terminology. Just be warned, there will be those that unfairly try to cast this as h…
> a non-insignificant amount of people in tech take this seriously We're all here to make ourselves feel good saying we Took A Stand. In reality, four weeks from now, do you think anybody will still be talking about it? I made this same mistake. I was pretty convinced that people were taking Copilot seriously, and that there was possibly going to be ramifications for Microsoft. I wasn't particularly looking forward t…
Nope, and it won’t have the slightest impact on Apple’s revenue or earnings either.
Somewhat offtopic, but the subject caused me to make a disappointing realization: The most sure way for someone to obtain child porn images that won't trigger a hit in these known child-abuse-image databases would be for someone to take new photos. Is there a reason we can be confident that these databases aren't creating a market for novel child abuse at a greater rate than they're taking abusers out of the communit…
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Ok, so what stops the CCP from submitting hashes of photos of the "tank man" to this hash set? And then jailing all those reported to possess it?
What's stopping them already...? It operates on iCloud photos. Those are already scanned. If a nation state wanted to flex this before they could have done so.
'No one has done it before, so they probably won't do it in the future now that it we made it easier.'
Somewhat offtopic, but the subject caused me to make a disappointing realization: The most sure way for someone to obtain child porn images that won't trigger a hit in these known child-abuse-image databases would be for someone to take new photos. Is there a reason we can be confident that these databases aren't creating a market for novel child abuse at a greater rate than they're taking abusers out of the communit…
Or if it's just a simple hash, change a single, impercetible pixel in the photo.