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Toyota has stepped up lobbying to preserve its investments in hybrids, hydrogen

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Re: Toyota has stepped up lobbying to preserve its investments in hybrids, hydrogen

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There's no point continuing this if you insist on displaying such a deep misunderstanding of PHEVs. You literally still can't get past the fundamental point half of what you listed as needed for an ICE is already needed for a BEV. Even the Model 3 has an oil pump and filter! The packaging challenges faced are not somehow forcing you to stick the engine in some magical super important place where batteries would never…

> displaying such a deep misunderstanding of PHEVs. Don't misunderstand them at all, and I have volt in my top 5 best cars of the last 20 years for regular people. I just think the time of the PHEV has come and gone. Used they are still interesting buys, but I wouldn't spend any money on a new combustion engine anymore. > I have no idea why you're acting like a frunk is some sacred place you're robbed of if there's a…

> Like do you not realize a Model S has a radiator? > And it's 1/3 to 1/4 the size of an ICE radiator of similar kW power output.

Oh so now you get having a smaller sized component matters?

Also, no. It's not "1/4th" the size of a similar power output. The 60D radiator is larger than the one on a 480HP Charger...

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And all the talk of handling dynamics... Porsche was sticking 500HP to the rear wheels only of 2,500lbs cars with 0 weight in any other part of the car in the days before traction control and modern rubber.

It's hilarious to act like grocery getters, or even luxury sports sedans face those problems.

> When studies showed the majority of PHEV owners in the EU didn't ever plug them in I soured significantly on PHEVs as a concept. Turns out people having to actively choose daily to reduce emissions doesn't result in the best results.

Wait, you mean to tell me that when we don't have widespread charging infrastructure, but we heavily subsidize PHEVs until they're cheaper than comparable gas-only cars... people buy them for the rebates instead of the EV benefits????

People who didn't even have wall outlets to slow charge their cars were buying PHEVs because you could get a 3 series for 10k under sticker for a comparable ICE-only model, there's 0 surprise that they'd be using gas.

Where you can actually examine real world effects of them is when we've reached the point where people can actually charge them, and gas prices continue to rise. And even compared to 5 years ago both are happening.

You don't need a carbon tax to punish people for charging EVs, you just need to make charging make sense.

The bonus here is that solving the problems that made PHEVs end up running on gas solves problems for EVs in general.

Before you reach the point where BEVs have widespread appeal you solve the issues PHEVs face 10 times over.

Re: Toyota has stepped up lobbying to preserve its investments in hybrids, hydrogen

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Good luck betting on that. But show me the tech because: > From their website: Storage is 30% lighter, 7% smaller, and 17% less expensive than Lithium-ion battery per kWh. This is nonsense that wont happen.

Current fuel cell tech with compressed hydrogen has an energy density of above 1,000 Wh/kg. It's already far beyond what li-ion can provide.

Lets compare the tech when its actually in a vehicle and being sold at a few 1000 a year at least. And then compare the whole system and end to end energy efficiency for society.

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Dude, your evidence is flawed you want to prove that green color is better then red, so you put a rat in a green box, a rat in a red box, then you starve the rat in the red box and give a ton of food to the green rat. Then like a "genius self claimed scientist" you claim to prove that this is a valid experiment that proves that green is better then red.

Really. Why don't you go through all 40 counties one by one and explain why it's a flawed experiment that proves nothing? You've made up your mind without looking at the evidence, as you've already demonstrated your ignorance of history, and somehow think that qualifies you to reject all of it - without having even considered it. You've proved my point rather nicely I think.

I done it already for Korea , N Korea suffers from external interventions like sanctions, S Korea received a lot of money from US. So it is not a clean experiment.

Would be more simple if you find the perfect example from those 40 and let's talk that one.

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You can size the PHEV range extender engine to be much closer to the steady state power requirement, and tune it towards such as well. The BMW i3 uses a literal scooter engine for the range extension.

The i3 can't do more than 40mph when using the scooter engine.

It can do more than that, especially if you've got the Euro-spec Hold State of Charge coded to be enabled. With HSOC, you just drive as normal and the scooter engine tries to keep the battery at the charge level you turned it on at. You only really notice that the car is noisier.

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I literally bought a new Chevy Bolt in April for $22k total ($20k financed).

Is this including some kind of tax credit or subsidy or did you actually manage to get them to come down like $8k below MSRP??

It was a 2020 model, but it was all discounts by GM. The 2020s(and 2021s) had a higher MSRP, so it was actually closer to only 50% of MSRP that I paid. The extra $2k I didn't finance was tax, reg, etc.
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