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Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Neat! This does seem algebraically coherent. Unfortunately, it just doesn't make intuitive sense to my lizard brain. Cool trick anyway, thanks for clearing it up!

It's the heart of the difference between the two statements: - The average streamer makes $x - Streamers make an average of $y

What do we mean by "average" streamer? Would median be a better term here?

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Being curious about the onboarding, about 2 years ago I signed up and starting doing non-adult content on OF. It's really similar to patreon, substack or bandcamp; optionally paywalled content on a freemium model. The onboarding and experience of OF is somewhat odd in that it didn't ever say "this is for you to post explicit content". It's structured for it sure, but every page is isolated. Even on the splash it just…

It didn’t start out for porn but grew in that direction. Iirc when it started taking off there weren’t that happy about the porn but bank account deposits are a hell of a drug.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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post #169

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Neat! This does seem algebraically coherent. Unfortunately, it just doesn't make intuitive sense to my lizard brain. Cool trick anyway, thanks for clearing it up!

It's the heart of the difference between the two statements: - The average streamer makes $x - Streamers make an average of $y

Sorry, whats the difference here?

-avg streamer makes $x. Total = $x * # streamers

-streamers make an average of $y. Total = $y * # streamers

Average is always sum/n?

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Oh, if that's so then I'm even less clear on what we expect OnlyFans to do about it, unless we are going to ban the whole sector of sex work. Some restaurants launder money for the mob too, but we still have restaurants. If there are sensible steps OF could take to reduce the incidence of this, then they should. But it's hard for me to think of what that might be, given any response made over the internet could easil…

Let's engage in a hypothetical to flesh out your position; if 10% of only fans accounts were victims of human trafficking, acting at the behest of their traffickers, what course(s) of action would you recommend for only fans (as a company), and from regulatory bodies?

I think all regulatory regimes that have any chance of addressing this would require government support. Perhaps something like requiring any model to first go alone to identify herself to the police or other authority and certify her age. This would provide an opportunity to escape a captor. Perhaps this would be an annual thing.

But the proper incentives would need to be in place. She'd need to be allowed to stay in country if she is a foreign victim of trafficking, for example. We would want to prevent this from becoming some type of guild where incumbents can keep out new competition. And the police would need to be supportive in this process (i.e. promptly inform OF of models' eligibility, and otherwise participate in the process in good faith). It's hard to see that happening in, e.g., the United States.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usual…

This isn't going to be a welcome question or politically correct, but why do you let your wife continue to engage in something that is "majority trauma" and that makes her need therapy?

At a guess, because his wife is a human and gets to make her own decisions?

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Can we please not use the term "sex worker" for people who do not face the vast majority of risks (health/physical, financial, legal-of-the-criminal-sort, and emotional) that someone who actually engages in sex with other people for money does? You (generally speaking) cannot get infected with STIs, pregnant, assaulted, raped, drugged, stabbed, murdered, convicted, jailed - for being a camgirl. You (generally speakin…

Sorry if I step on some toes here since I know very little about this topic (feel free to correct me!) but isn't this turning things on their head? Normally in discussing other topics I see people arguing that a quicker/earlier stigma leads to less people going further. Is this wrong?

Right now, certain media outlets have been promoting a "debate about sex work". As usual, this is meant to shutdown any productive debate on the subject. You seem to start with a preconceived notion that "sex work" is harmful and people need to be prevented/protected from engaging in it. As with any aspect of our society, there are too many feedback loops involved here for anyone to have an opinion which is not based on anecdotes and propaganda, except the sex workers themselves (maybe!)

So let's discuss the general case instead.

Stigma and ostracism are very ancient tools for ensuring compliance within a social group by threatening members with social exclusion; however, quicker/earlier stigma prevents non-conformity earlier, but it also locks people out "on the outside" quicker/earlier. Stigma is also easy to abuse - it's the perfect excuse for hurting someone who you see as "less than human" due to their stigma, and then blaming them for it.

If you're betting on a civilization collapse scenario where in-group cohesion is the decisive factor for survival, it would be rational for you to uphold stigmatization of any behavior that diverges from the established rituals of your in-group. Our present civilization, however, has decided that social exclusion is harmful in the general case, and (quite haphazardly) is trying to remedy _that_.

As our systems become stable enough to support people safely "going further" with their diverse, even mutually incompatible lifestyle choices, the logical conclusion would be to eradicate stigma and replace it with a more humane way of nudging people away from potentially harmful actions.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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I totally disagree. We've all been teenagers. The content creators posting their OF on TikTok are purposefully targeting teenagers with access to mommy's credit card. I see it a s purely evil and predatory.

Sounds like you think that TikTok is a platform exclusive to teenagers. 75% of (US) TikTok users are 20 years and older[0]. [0]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1095186/tiktok-us-users-...

I have nieces and nephews and my friends have preteens and teenage children. Whenever I ask they how they get past age blockers they say they just lie and put whatever age they need to access the content.

The smarter one won’t tell me how he installs apps on his iPad after his mom uninstalls it. I suspect he figured out his moms password.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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“Ask women what they experience if they show up to work without makeup.” My experience of not wearing makeup in lots of places, over many years: Nothing happens. It’s fine.

Sure you might not notice it. But 80% of others notice and comment on it. They don't expirence anything directly, but through time they get better treatment versus their non makeup wearing counterparts. Source? My office expirence, also my gf's master thesis was on how apperence affects office atmosphere.. (something in this line)

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Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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The titles on sites like pornhub are a lot worse. Sometimes I feel like they're automatically generated or something, with weird sexual fantasies that aren't even remotely in the video. It's become a bit of a meme, and it certainly has always been present but for example the incest stuff, it's just disturbing to me to the point where I greatly prefer browsing on Reddit just because the titles are more tame. Another c…

>the titles sound so much more vulgar in Dutch than they do in English to me. It's the other way around: you're less emotionally connected to your second language. You're not phased by the most scurrilous elements of English, because of a combination of factors (like the way your brain processes a second language, and the fact that you did not grow up in a native English culture). Whereas you have a primary connectio…

I speak a non-European language and my experience is exactly the same. Swearing in my native tongue just sounds extremely vulgar. Swearing in English - no problem.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usual…

> The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible This cannot be true. Anyone can find ample porn online (definitely enough to cum) for free. Therefore it follows that people engaging with OnlyFans and other paid-for porn services must be getting something else out of it - the illusion of an intimate (two-way) relationship, the feeling of dominance (uttering…

She's my wife, please don't speculate on my (or her) honesty. The last thing sex workers need is more people mansplaining what their customers are looking for.

Camsites are expensive, especially camsites catering to the one-to-one format. Per minute the rate is extremely high and most men can't afford it so they take what they can get. The ones who pay for longer shows often have both specific fetishes not easily catered to and disposable income exceeding what most clients come prepared to spend. Or else the peak experience gets them cumming earlier than they expected and their guilt and shame drives them to leave as soon as they finish.

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