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I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Post by haolez »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #235
haolez wrote: post #227

I wonder if ReactOS[0] will eventually catch-up in business environments where this kind of bullshit is less/not acceptable. [0] https://reactos.org/

It seems as though this bullshit is perfectly acceptable in business environments. Hell, many businesses are mandating that all employees have a Microsoft account anyway (Office 365). Why would business environments care that their workers' have to make a Microsoft account to log into their work laptops? IT surely has remote control of it and can get them access if they get locked out. The people who are MOST upset a…

That's true when everything is working as expected. But when things go bad (e.g. you can't login to your machine), business do care.

My business depends a lot on Azure AD. A couple months ago, Azure AD went down for several hours worldwide. It was a wakeup call that SLAs can be broken and that the vendors are usually not transparent regarding the uptime of their platforms (the status pages are always green!).

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Post by dzdt »

Bedon292 wrote: post #134
taneq wrote: post #60

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> the type of people who would buy the Home edition I haven't looked particularly into the differences between 'normal' Windows 10 and the other tiers but in the past, 'professional' versions were actually missing things (codecs etc.) that you'd want on a general usage PC.

I am sure there are more, but the only things I know of that are in Pro and not Home are BitLocker and full Hyper-V. You still get WSL2 and Docker using Hyper-V under the hood on Home. There is also the Active Directory support, but unlikely an individual user cares much about that. I can't really think of anything missing from Pro.

MS terminal services to remote connect to your pc from another is in Pro but not Home.

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Post by skohan »

saba2008 wrote: post #191
fsloth wrote: post #57

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"I think it’s as simple as it being a better experience for the type of people who would buy the Home edition. ... allows MS to provide a lot of the services people expect using Android or iOS as their primary devices. This. 100 times. The main compute device people as a population are familiar with is the cellphone/tablet, and usage patterns that differ from this are becoming the odd man out. Consumer tech. Commodit…

>We've come a long way from the 1970's. And going for a full circle. No more personal computers, just terminals connected to corporate systems, which have full control over data and usage.

And it's a shame if you ask me. PCs and laptops are so powerful now, and all that hardware is mostly just going toward running chrome tabs.

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Post by Aerroon »

rootusrootus wrote: post #192
ukyrgf wrote: post #153

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I'm at a small business that gets maybe 2 dozen new computers a year but line 1 on my setup list is "DO NOT PLUG IN THE ETHERNET CABLE" I can't believe it's come to this...

Surely the 'professional' versions don't have this requirement? I'm quite far from a Windows expert, but at the company I work for the IT folks control all aspects of authentication and maintenance (e.g. patches all come through our own servers, not MS or Apple). They'd tell MS to piss off if they tried to require employees to have MS accounts.

My guess is that the Pro version won't have the requirement yet. But in the future they'll require it for Pro as well.

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Post by gabereiser »

CSMastermind wrote: post #287
nix23 wrote: post #247

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I really don't get it. Microsoft has an OS and a Cloud (Azure and Windows) and make pretty much good money with it, but both have a great need for privacy. I really don't get what Microsoft is thinking.

In the case of requiring a phone number for emails it's to try and cut down on spam / bots abusing their service.

you would think, but that's not the case. It's used to correlate data sharing between data brokerages. Facebook has your number, Twitter has your number, Microsoft has your number. What better FK to link all this data together than that? Now Microsoft knows what you searched for. Twitter knows what you bought on Amazon. Facebook knows who you hung out with. It's all about the data brokerages.

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Post by vageli »

tabulatouch wrote: post #246
JoeyBananas wrote: post #210

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it's time to ditch Windows for linux

I am always surprised by the lack of a proper "Linux Wine" OS, binary compatible with Windows, but with linux under the hood..

These days there is Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL).

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Post by giancarlostoro »

nickjj wrote: post #117

I know the post is about Windows 11 but I installed Windows 10 for someone on a laptop about 2 months ago and it had the most crazy dark pattern I've ever seen to be able to proceed past the installation screen without a Microsoft account. Short of not connecting to the internet first the only way I saw where it was possible to create an offline account was to first attempt to sign in using an incorrect password with…

> I know the post is about Windows 11 but I installed Windows 10 for someone on a laptop about 2 months ago and it had the most crazy dark pattern I've ever seen to be able to proceed past the installation screen without a Microsoft account.

I would set it up without access to internet as the easiest way to force it. It is pretty awful this has to be done this way. Eventually I will just exclusively use Ubuntu and call it a day.

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Post by queuebert »

HeckFeck wrote: post #245
nickjj wrote: post #117

I know the post is about Windows 11 but I installed Windows 10 for someone on a laptop about 2 months ago and it had the most crazy dark pattern I've ever seen to be able to proceed past the installation screen without a Microsoft account. Short of not connecting to the internet first the only way I saw where it was possible to create an offline account was to first attempt to sign in using an incorrect password with…

It is a shame to watch the decline of Windows. There isn't much I can recommend to non-technical users looking affordable computing relatively under their control. Manipulation and user hostility is unacceptable. Any of these possibilities would be nice: * The market presents a kinder (and equally-affordable x86) solution and users follow. * ReactOS lurches leaps and bounds ahead. * Microsoft realises this trajectory…

It would also help if decision makers at large organizations would stop forcing everyone into Microsoft products such as Teams, Outlook, etc., when much better alternatives exist.

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Post by skohan »

jptech wrote: post #157
iwasakabukiman wrote: post #20

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I can set up and sign in to MacOS without using my Apple ID though.

Correct me if i'm wrong but I think you still need to go online to finish the setup process?

I'm pretty sure you don't need a network connection to set up a mac unless this has changed in recent releases.
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