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Post by hef19898 »

k__ wrote: post #201
koolhaas wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the church site have to turn away elderly people, or other people who cleared CA guidelines, at the end of each day?

Don't know about the state of vax in the USA, but here in Germany it's pretty chaotic. There are vax centers for priorized people and then every doc gets a bunch of vaccinations for their own patienst, which don't have to be priorized. Now, some vax centers are temporarily closed, because they run out of vaccinations, so priorized groups cant get vaccinated anymore. But if you find some doc somewhere, who still got a…

Yep, Germany screwed up the whole supply management. Just saw a projection that Germany will reach 80% first vaccinations in July. Which was kind of expected, initial orders as of January were enough to get that in June/July. I guess we will one month behind everyone else in the EU, so I think July won't be that far off. In August we will see headlines complaining about all the over ordering of vaccines and what to do with it.

I'd love to write a case study about that one day. Or maybe not.

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Post by koolhaas »

labster wrote: post #292
koolhaas wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would feel guilt if me waiting in line before becoming eligible resulted in another person being turned away at a busy vaccine site - even if I didn’t have to technically lie about my eligibility. Even if I’m iffy on the morality now, I don’t want to look back 20 years later as a different person, thinking about how, as a healthy young person, I cut in front of the eligible. Would that person who was turned away be…

I’d feel guilty, but it’s hard for me to get upset about other people skipping the line for the vaccine. Sure there are higher risks for certain people, and in a perfect world. But it’s hard for people to not be self-interested in their health. And in public policy, the long game is always the important one. People will always cheat, and you have to decide what level of enforcement generates the most social good. Too…

> I’d feel guilty, but it’s hard for me to get upset about other people skipping the line

Same. I’m not upset, just wanted to walk through what goes through my head personally.

> And in public policy, the long game is always the important one

This is a key point. The policy did its job. Old and weakened people got their shots, line skippers are a blip on the radar. But maybe it worked because most people played their role and held back tiny personal infractions for the greater good.

> I mean, if politicians and VCs and the elite all want it ASAP, maybe it’s safe for almost everyone?

I think that is very theoretical psychoanalysis, but if it’s what people tell themselves to get that early jab, sure. In the end, this is an unprecedented global crisis and people are either going to fall in line or act in ways that help them cope with uncertainty and anxiety.

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Post by fdschoeneman »

Igelau wrote: post #97

TL;DR guy gets asked to leave exclusive party. Kind of dumb to be raising a stink over the issue anyhow. Just get shots in arms. After front-line medical workers it doesn't matter whose. Prioritizing the elderly was baloney. Hell, smokers were a priority group. How much more obvious does an intentional backdoor have to be? This guy probably shames people who bluff in Poker.

I don't know if your analysis about either front line workers needing to be first in line or the impracticality of triaging anyone after that is correct, but your analysis seems just as valid as any coming from California's political class. So yeah, dude probably does shame people for bluffing at poker. Probably drinks appletinis too.

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Post by fdschoeneman »

sulam wrote: post #90

I think it's telling that Atherton and Piedmont were above 80% vaccinated well before vaccinations were open to the general public. "Wait your turn" is not how they became members of their respective clubs.

Interesting statistic. Do you have a citation?

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Post by serf »

dang wrote: post #295
magicalist wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Much as I'd love to, it's not my place to say why the original title was inaccurate, so I'll just remind you all that there are two or more sides to every story and not everything on Twitter is true. This reads a bit like "not to be that guy, but...". You won't say why for some reason, but clearly it's not to stay out of it because you're letting innuendo do the job. Alternative suggestion: "That is inaccurate but…

I don't see that alternative formulation as so different really? I'm sure you have a good point, I'm just not sure how to do it better. I needed to give enough of an explanation to satisfy people's curiosity at least a little bit even though I can't satisfy it for real. I also needed to make sure that my comment had enough information in it to answer (let's say) the top 10 obvious objections, or it would have brought…

>not everything on Twitter is true

>I'm sure you have a good point. I'm just not sure how to do it better.

Probably without the allusion that the tweeter isn't telling the truth, to be blunt.

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Post by systemvoltage »

mbgerring wrote: post #274
dasickis wrote: post #120

I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…

So just so everyone has the full context: Oakland opened up its vaccination sites to more people on a shorter timeline than the rest of the state, in certain ZIP codes with disproportionately poor residents, in order to get vaccines to those disproportionately poor residents. I know this because this is how several of my friends who live in West Oakland got vaccinated ahead of the eligibility opening up in the rest o…

A friend of mine flew out from Zurich to CA to get a shot.

They gave him one without checking anything. His response? “America has the best vaccine program on the planet. They have so many rules in Zurich that the confusion is holding things back. They’d rather throw away vaccines than break minor rules”.

Vaccination should be easy, bureaucracy free and straightforward; especially now. I can understand age restrictions from Dec-Mar.

This is not like standing in the line at DMV. The entire country needs to be vaccinated and if we put too many rules around this, we all lose and that’s unethical. I urge everyone to be reasonable and flexible. This does not mean you should go and cut lines, push elderly and others aside. The goal for everyone should be efficient distribution of vaccines.

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Post by dang »

slumpt_ wrote: post #301
dang wrote: post #210

The submitted title was "Y Combinator kicks out Paul Biggar over a tweet". That is inaccurate, so in keeping with the HN guidelines (" Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ), I've replaced the title with the tweet text. That's the standard thing we do with titles, when people post Twitter links. Much as I'd love to,…

“petty drama” speaks volumes. Edit:Please, downvote. Just reinforces my point. What is wrong with this community, jfc

FWIW, I think that was probably because your comment was unsubstantive enough that it was unclear what you meant, which probably put it in a worst-case situation. Also, unsubstantiveness attracts downvotes in its own right, especially when it contains traces of snark. Also, your account has quite a history of posting unsubstantive comments—could you please not do that? We're trying for something different here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by tzs »

dasickis wrote: post #120

I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…

Several posters in this reddit discussion [1] about that vaccination site corroborate dasickis' claims.

It's still not clear why they were not sticking to whatever the current phase California was in at the time. I've seen a couple claims on that, both of which are believable.

1. The site was participating in a Federal vaccination program, not a state vaccination program. The state rollout phases only applied to state programs.

2. They didn't get enough people making appointments to use up their vaccine allotment. When that happened (or when people made but didn't keep appointments) sites were allowed to give the leftover vaccine out first come first served to anyone who met the requirements of the FDA emergency authorization for the vaccine they were using.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/oakland/comments/m4bqx9/a_west_oakl...

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Post by jfoster »

All of the energy going into this should instead be directed toward "how do we vaccinate most efficiently in future?"

I think it makes a lot of sense to vary eligibility criteria by vaccination site, and allow for anyone to be vaccinated at some of the sites. That way, anyone who meets special criteria can go to a site where the wait will be shorter, and anyone who doesn't meet any particular criteria still have a place where they can go to get it provided they are willing to endure the potentially long wait. As the rollout progresses, if some of the "special criteria" sites are not too busy, they can change to become "anyone" sites.

Overall, the problem of "too many people want the vaccine ASAP" is a great problem to have.

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