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Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by dandellion »

oblak wrote: post #205
xedrac wrote: post #187

I suspect that a large percentage of Firefox's remaining user base are power users - people who tend to value function over fluff. It seems odd to me that they'd alienate their current users like this. I've used Firefox for over 10 years, but I think I'll start using chromium until the next Firefox UI overhaul. The tab design is just unacceptably awful.

I've been using FF for 20 years. More if you count its previous incarnations. Not that it's a competition or anything. Looking at the screenshots, UI changes seem mindful and subtle to me. They even removed some useless iconography. Content aware tabs aren't such a bad idea and seem to be executed nicely. Having an option to remove the clutter would be nice, though. I've been reading about people switching to Chromiu…

I used to think the same. Then they broke my favorite extensions, then removed RSS, later bookmark descriptions. Just wait long enough and they'll probably get to the features you like. The other day I installed a different browser to see what it was like and you know what, there wasn't anything I missed from Firefox. I didn't change my default because I'm used to the Firefox dev tools, but I really have no reason to prefer it anymore, I'm one extension or feature away from becoming one of those people that left for something else.

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Post by conradfr »

mackal wrote: post #275

New tabs are gross. Wastes so much space. Luckily there is that Firefox-UI-Fix linked elsewhere in this thread. Pretty much wanted to complain after upgrading and found that repo, which fixed most my complaints. Sadly I now have to make sure I keep that maintained ... I'm really unhappy with the UI changes.

Me as well.

https://i.imgur.com/zrCvxFj.png

That will be a no from me Mozilla.

Also they did the Chrome thing that when you start typing your search on the homepage it moves what you're typing to the address bar instead. WHY ?!

I'm so tired of having to fight against my browser of choice.

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Post by donbrae »

I notice on macOS that Firefox now finally has the standard ‘rubber banding’/bounce effect when you scroll past the start/end of the page or text field content.

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

jhanschoo wrote: post #283
zejn wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browser is a tool to browse the web. Tools need to be functional first. There is a reason why there's no "summer 2021 hammer" in hardware store.

Considering how complex the web is, and how technologically complicated a browser needs to be regardless of UX, a car analogy is perhaps more appropriate; and you do have '21 models of cars.

Yet none of these new model cars re-arrange the pedals. They'll change the style of the brake lights, the trim, etc, but the basic "4 wheels, front two steer, wheel turns towards the direction you want to steer, brake, gas pedal" is fixed. But with software (including Firefox) even the operational aspects change, not just the cosmetics.

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Post by cutemonster »

_Microft wrote: post #165
teknopaul wrote: post #134

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I worry about that

For good reason - design changes of a web browser might be the least of our troubles though. This problem is everywhere. The last thing we should do when we need a problem solved is creating a department or office whose continued existence depends on the problem being there .

> This problem is everywhere

Makes me think of "Defunding the police".

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Post by geenew »

ncann wrote: post #305
kumarvvr wrote: post #87

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Its ok for me if the changes are incremental. When Chrome first came out, the lightweight, clean and out of your field of view tab bar was a welcome change. FF did pretty good with small changes that, in my view, have made it look better over the years. edit : Ok, checked the new design. Definitely don't like the tab buttons, mainly because when there are multiple open, there are no discernable borders among them. So…

Same, I definitely don't like the new tabs with no border around them.

I agree, inactive tabs need to have a border around them.

At the same time I like how the tab bar is separated from the address/bookmark bar. Makes it much easier to identify the active tab.

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Post by sjagoe »

Scarbutt wrote: post #269
sorenjan wrote: post #231

I find it infuriating how designers keep adding more and more whitespace and padding on my desktop computer. If you want to make your UI easier to use on touch devices that's fine, but Windows 10 has a tablet mode that I keep disabled, so there's no reason to assume I'm not using a mouse. If I go to Customize toolbar there's three density options: Touch, Normal, and Compact (not supported). Why aren't there a support…

'Compact' is flagged as not supported but looks like it still works.

"works" in quotes. Compact after an update I measured as a third taller than "normal" density before the update (100px vs 75px). I want maximum vertical space for the website, not for the browser UI. It's really not compact anymore.

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Post by jdlshore »

acqq wrote: post #287
n3k5 wrote: post #259

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> Even the back button is wrong in the new version. Previously it spanned up to the left edge of the window. When you actually try it instead of comparing screenshots, you'll see that its clickable area still goes all the way to the edge of the window. The button hasn't moved to the right; there's just more negative space because they removed the circle around it. Deleting that space would actually move the button to…

After I move the mouse over the back "button" at first nothing happens, it's surely nothing happening "as soon as the pointer" enters the area. Then after some delay, the "area" of the button is shown, but not inclunding the newly "empty" space, which you claim is clickable. But what is highlighted starts to the right. If my mouse is already close to the edge, it visually signals that it's not over the button, that i…

That sounds like a "you" issue, not an "everyone" issue. You may have a corrupted settings. You can reset them (and customize the toolbar to your liking) by going to the hamburger menu and selecting More Tools --> Customize Toolbar.

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Post by silicon2401 »

sorenjan wrote: post #231

I find it infuriating how designers keep adding more and more whitespace and padding on my desktop computer. If you want to make your UI easier to use on touch devices that's fine, but Windows 10 has a tablet mode that I keep disabled, so there's no reason to assume I'm not using a mouse. If I go to Customize toolbar there's three density options: Touch, Normal, and Compact (not supported). Why aren't there a support…

I miss text that would just wrap along the length of the window. Using Github always infuriates me because I have a nice, wide macbook screen, yet they force code to be displayed in a text box that uses maybe 1/3 of my screen width

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Post by megous »

btdmaster wrote: post #308
megous wrote: post #289

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Some card's bundled firmware from 1996 that's not even compiled in normal distro kernel builds? :D

I see when you're coming from, but the last commit (in that section of the tree, granted, not the firmware itself) was 8 days ago. [1] [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/lin...

Please look closely. All the commits there are tree-wide cleanups, or automated patches, documentation fixes, warning fixes, and mostly adaptations to internal kernel API changes,...

This is normal "noise" for all code inside the kernel. That's the reason why having the driver mainline is good. But try to find any other activity since the start of git history in 2005.

It doesn't show the driver is in use in the wild. The hardware might as well be extinct.

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