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Re: Please commit more blatant academic fraud

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The idea that a field can be reformed by making it worse until it suddenly faces a reckoning and emerges much better is ... I don't know where people keep getting the idea that this might work. It has never worked in any field ever in history. The thing that can happen: fields gradually split into rigorous and non-rigorous camps. Like with evidence-based medicine, or chemistry/alchemy. Depending on the field, either…

I loved your first paragraph but I choked your second.

All modern fields of study use quantitative measurement so splits in practice now would have to do with different ideas of rigor rather than rigor-nonrigor.

The problem of AI/ML isn't the blatant cheating but the way that the goal is often getting n% higher than soto on X benchmark. Just chasing benchmarks makes any connection to broad dubious imo. It might or might-not give you something practically useful but definitely give you something career-wise useful.

But just as much, when the field is just a giant race where no cares about any broader understanding, cynicism seems like a natural result. The ideal of academia, for all it's failings, is to give people some amount of space to speculate and explore wider vistas.

It would be good if X number of people had the space to explore a variety of visions of "AI" other than the dominant one. But despite the vast number of people being sucked into the field, my guess is this is getting harder, not easier. And, of course, the mere appearance of "rigor", of quantitative measurement, is not helping things, again in my opinion as someone of no authority at all in field.

Re: Please commit more blatant academic fraud

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post #11

Wow, the amount of depravity in some academic circles is astonishing. The article links [1] the case of a PhD student at the University of Florida who was forced to participate in such a publication collusion ring and was pressured to commit scientific fraud by fabricating results and submitting them to a conference [2], being threatened with physical harm should he decide to go public. This student saw no way out an…

He can't blame other that himself for commiting suicide.

We should stop worshiping this kind of people. He has the option to join another team. One of the thousands of scientific teams not directed by a psycho and working on millions of interesting problems waiting to be solved. To leave and do other things was also an option. You can have a really fulfilling and happy live without being a scientist (Is more probable in fact).

People with suicidal tendences had deep inner problems that didn't started necessarily in the university. Some are attention suckers, manipulative professionals that need to assume the protagonic role, idiots that decide to jump by a window to avoid facing their first real conflict in their lives.

They dream about to punish papa, mama, the evil teacher and the cruel world that apparently owed them a career in science. They smile with the idea of everybody attending their funeral in a rainy day with sad faces in dread. The main motivation behind most (true) suicidal people is collective punishment.

Some people can choose to feel miserable for the rest of their lives when this happens. Other will be wiser, break the endless stream of bullshit and refuse the role of punished. Both groups will eventually keep with their lives instead to feel guilty and miserable for an unexpected act that was beyond their acts or wishes.

Re: Please commit more blatant academic fraud

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post #130

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I assumed it was tongue in cheek, but the end of the article really convinced me that the author is serious about his ‘let it get worse so it can get better proposal’ stance. “Widespread fraud would force us to re-strengthen our community’s academic norms, transforming the way we do research, and improving our collective ability to progress humanity’s knowledge. “So this is a call to action: please commit more academ…

Author here -- it's intended as satire, don't worry, haha. I know that nobody would ever actually do this so I decided to just lean into it. If I had any real power by which to fix things, I would have a much more nuanced take.

> I know that nobody would ever actually do this

What gives you this certainty, especially given Poe’s law [1]?

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Re: Please commit more blatant academic fraud

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According to Twitter we're "multiracial whites". BIPoC is also often used as a dogwhistle to exclude Asians and Latinos when convenient.

Are Latinos not indigenous to the Americas? (genuinely asking)

My understanding is that the term "Latino" includes both people indigenous to Latin America and people whose ancestors were colonists from Spain. The latter group is generally the larger/more well-known one -- that's why "Latino", a Spanish word, is used to describe them.

Re: Please commit more blatant academic fraud

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People keep bringing out that this can be a joke, but he said this two days later "I did mean the part about having trouble with girls. It is true that I have fallen in love with people in the lab, and that people in the lab have fallen in love with me, and it's very disruptive to the science. It's terribly important that, in the lab, people are on a level playing field. And I found these emotional entanglements made…

So what part of falling in love with people in the lab, people in the lab falling in love with you, and that affecting concentration and productivity, is so evil as to get someone fired? Sorry, honest question. Being from a different culture, I honestly fail to get this kind of outrage. For me it's just a description of humans being human...

> So what part of falling in love with people in the lab, people in the lab falling in love with you, and that affecting concentration and productivity, is so evil as to get someone fired?

Fundamentally, he is saying that since he has trouble keeping his emotions in check around women, the solution is to not allow women in the lab rather than developing his own managerial or social skills.

It's understandable why some would question the wisdom of having this person responsible for developing the skills of female scientists.

Should he have been fired? I don't know. Certainly not if tis joke was is only "offence", but I suspect there is a bit more history to the situation.

Re: Please commit more blatant academic fraud

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post #216

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I would encourage you to think more about the social use of "jokes". Once we get past the level of knock-knocks, jokes very often have social meaning. Look at people like George Carlin, for example. His "7 dirty words" routine was deeply political. It was a full-on assault on American government censorship and the cultural elements that demanded it. And looking at history, he's won. Humor can be very powerful. Jokes…

Unpopular Opinion: people making these sexist jokes do actually think they are jokes. They aren't using them to push people down. Most people are nice people and don't realise they are being assholes and pushing people down. On the other hand it's completely fair that people feel pushed down by them. HOWEVER - this entire social justice movement is being used to outsource getting into conflict, and standing up for yo…

But this becomes a full-time job for minorities to explain what is bigoted to people they don't even want to be talking to, which

1) gets you attacked for seeing everything as bigoted - especially when you make mistakes because you can't know why everyone is doing everything, just see statistically stuff is happening to you and people who look like you more than everyone else, and

2) alienates you from your co-workers, who would prefer that you act according to the stereotypes they have of people like you and laugh at the jokes they're making about you (and your parents, and your parents parents, who were indisputably shat on.) They don't want to hang out with you because they can't relax around you. You're not going to get promoted unless the word comes from so far up you're going to get resented for it, and

0) it's just another burden to constantly be explaining how and why you're miserable to people, even (especially) the ones who consider it self-improvement to listen to you.

The temptation is just to coon for people, say what they want you to say and do what they want you to do, and just silently hate them and hate yourself.

> But it would make life a lot easier if we just sorted out these issues at the source, with two people, explaining what hurts and why to someone.

This is problematic thinking. For example, black people are 15% of the US population. It isn't one-on-one, it's one-on-five-and-a-half at best. And really, if you're a middle class professional (let's say programmer) where there's a lower proportion of black people that would be indicated by relative populations, it's one-on-a-small-army-20%-of-them-heavily-redpilled-and-angry.

I prefer to leave it to the twitter mob, although some of their positions are crazy, and it being twitter the people who are going to be the most vocal are going to have severe personality disorders (usually borderline.) It's still nice sometimes to have them deflect the belligerent white dude from you.

Re: Please commit more blatant academic fraud

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They're saying people are assholes. For instance, in some American cultures (see my previous comment for which culture), it's a given that perhaps 40-60% of married individuals are cheating on their spouse. That's not love--that's doing what feels good, and then doing someone else that feels good. Where there's a power imbalance, it's easier to ban a class of abuses than to figure out the small percentage of cases wh…

That's pretty easy to distinguish, I don't see any trouble at all in forming those categories.

Okay, I got a little off track. Let's say you're an HR person (or whoever is at legal risk if an employee decides they've been taken advantage of), and someone come in with just such a complaint.

How would you, an outside party, determine whether the superior was really [infatuated, in love, whatever], and not simply taking advantage of their situation? Or how would a judge determine that? Is it worth it to the company to work through that process every time it happens? What about the people who really were victimized, but the evidence is circumstantial and the court says otherwise? Isn't it easier to exclude the small pool of people that are subordinates and tell the supervisor to find romance anywhere else?

Re: Please commit more blatant academic fraud

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I experienced parts of CS academia and it was off-putting to say the least. Full of mediocre people who understood "the system" - not that much different from a direct-marketing operation, or a mafia - all while pestering CS professionals working in the weeds with their crazy-talk. Creating papers out of things, my colleagues and I talk while having a coffee. I'm not joking, intelligent guys get high on their own supply and will sell you ideas, that never gonna fly in the real-world with a straight face - and they will try it over and over again. It's embarassing.

Personally, I'm trying out the route of getting the resources myself to do my research, much more work - but at least sane work with a level of independence that I feel is necessary to see things through.

Re: Please commit more blatant academic fraud

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I'm sorry to be this guy, but it's "tenure"

There's nothing in tenure that requires universities to force bad teachers to continue teaching.

For that matter, there's nothing in tenure that requires universities to allow bad teachers to continue teaching. Tell him to go research something, and if anyone thinks his attitude is worth dealing with for his expertice, they can approach him volutarily.
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