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Post by Blikkentrekker »

ineedasername wrote: post #293
Thorentis wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we went from "it's nothing but pedos and porn" to "there are some bad words on there". If you find that offensive, maybe stay away from the internet.

Racism and homophobia aren't just bad words, and they were literally in the first three things I looked at. If you find that hard to understand, maybe stay away from HN where we try to have at least some minimum of reason in our discussions: you either lack that by minimizing racism and hatred to "bad words" or you are a troll arguing in bad faith.

They are indeed simply nothing more than “bad words” in this context.

There is almost certainly no context about race or sexual orientation. They're simply generic words, often not even taken to be negative.

“-fag” is simply a nominalizer, in this sense “Archfag” means “Arch Linux user”, having neither a positive nor negative connotation, and certainly having nothing to do with any sexual orientation.

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Post by faeriechangling »

pcbro141 wrote: post #157
okareaman wrote: post #77

I've spent a fair amount of time on 4chan/pol/ for over a decade and my opinion is moot is a decent guy who sold it after he tried to reign in GamerGate and was loudly criticized on the site for it. I don't think Google would have hired him if it weren't for that redeeming quality. I'm fascinated by 4chan because it is a kind of underground United Nations. It's anonymous so people around the world can express themsel…

In order list of threads from browsing /pol/ for people who want to know how 'diverse' it is without visiting: - Anti-vax - Anti-gay parents - Goose - Ben Shapiro praise thread with a dash of anti-semitism and a whole lot of "i hope all ni**rs die" - Praising George Floyd mural vandalism - Anti-transgender - Praising white nationalism/white ethnostate - Praising 'national rape day' - Anti-Islam - Anti-race mixing - I…

>White

You would be surprised.

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

solosoyokaze wrote: post #307
Thorentis wrote: post #304

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I think you are the one doing the conflating. You've jumped from "these words are sometimes used" to "these words are used solely for the purpose of expressing racist and homophobic feelings".

> "these words are used solely for the purpose of expressing racist and homophobic feelings". There's no other way to use these words. They're always racist and homophobic. That's the point, /pol is a cesspool of racism and homophobia.

They clearly can, and are in this case used, to communicate information where neither the listener nor the speaker is even thinking about race or sexual orientation, and no comment thereon is made.

If you wish to still call that “racism and homophobia”, then neither of which necessarily has anything to do with race or sexual orientations, or even disdain. — you should also know that your usage of these words is then quite nonstandard, and does not align with what most mean with them.

The word “nigger”, in particular, has been of particular interest of study in how depending on context the word can very much be about race, and negatively so, to a simple form of address that has no implications of race.

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Post by odonnellryan »

andyxor wrote: post #278
JohnBooty wrote: post #255

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In the U.S., it's still murder and/or manslaughter (depends on jurisdiction) if you physically assault somebody and they die as a result, even if your physical assault was not the sole reason they died. I'm not even making a moral argument here. That's the letter of the law. (Again, laws vary by state)

there was no assault though, but reasonable use of force according to MPD police training materials presented in court. In fact they could have escalated it at least two levels to more restricted prone position and use of taser, but they didn't, and called an ambulance several times to expedite it.

The policy of a police department does not supercede the law.

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Post by ineedasername »

Thorentis wrote: post #304
ineedasername wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Racism and homophobia aren't just bad words, and they were literally in the first three things I looked at. If you find that hard to understand, maybe stay away from HN where we try to have at least some minimum of reason in our discussions: you either lack that by minimizing racism and hatred to "bad words" or you are a troll arguing in bad faith.

I think you are the one doing the conflating. You've jumped from "these words are sometimes used" to "these words are used solely for the purpose of expressing racist and homophobic feelings".

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Post by redwall_hp »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #274
moksly wrote: post #89

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I think the internet is just different. Content creation has become something people do in pursuit of profit rather than something they do out of interest or just the lulz. People don’t spend 9 days creating the perfect YTMND thing because they can spend that time on Instagram, YouTube or whatever in pursuit of enough fame to create a career out of it. The only reason we still have so many memes and so many (less tha…

It feels as though “internet culture” of the old days have been limited excessively, and the entire internet been left beholden to the standards of U.S.A. professionalism, indeed because of profits, because the advertiser so demands it. Boards have increasingly enacted rules to cater to advertisers as they found out that simple word filters to stop “bad words” from being mentioned improve their advertisement revenue.…

I think smartphones brought a second Eternal September. The Internet used to largely attract the sort of people who by and large weren't ordinary. Hobbyists, artists, people interested in science, generally creative types. There was an expectation that you were participating in something and not just consuming. It used to be that if you wanted to say something, you had to expend some creative energy and build your own web presence. Now the average internet user is idly flicking through an endlessly scrolling feed to avoid a few minutes of boredom. Mindlessly consuming.

Just one of many nerd subcultures appropriated and gentrified by the masses.

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

ineedasername wrote: post #315
Thorentis wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are the one doing the conflating. You've jumped from "these words are sometimes used" to "these words are used solely for the purpose of expressing racist and homophobic feelings".

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> I don't know what land you're in if it's a place where calling someone a "fa--ot [n-word]" doesn't get categorized into some sort of hate speech.

This is the main point of contention. No one denies that such words are a common occurrence on 4chan, but you believe these words are automatically indicative of racism.

Are you open to the idea that someone who refers to himself as “an Archfag” is simply communicating on his being an Arch Linux user, and not otherwise intending to communicate his sexual orientation, and certainly not to proffer a negative view of his own sexual orientation?

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Post by robot9000 »

pcbro141 wrote: post #194
robot9000 wrote: post #190

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Maybe it's not diverse because people like you who hold opposing viewpoints are not interested in changing their opinion despite the fact that you can post just as much as they can without being judged for who you are. Is this something you have considered?

I have never considered justifying the killing of all non-Whites, oppression of homosexuals and women, no. And I never will entertain any 'opinion' or argument in favor of such heinous crimes against humanity.

I meant changing the opinion of the /pol/ users. Sorry for the confusion.

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Post by faeriechangling »

pcbro141 wrote: post #219
vorpalhex wrote: post #208

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People don't self identify as "Straight White Male", it's not really a good insult base. You want to insult their country of origin (Ireland, Canada), their hobbies (anime, weightlifting, smoking pot) or their inability to get laid. "White people have poor taste in food!" isn't very punchy, is it?

"British people have shitty food can't get laid" is kinda different from "all k*kes and ni**rs need to legit be exterminated", isn't it? They tell jokes about white ethnicities, but don't speak unironically, constantly, and at length about why whites should be racially exterminated like they do towards non-Whites, Jews, Muslims.

Sure they do. "Do it again Bomber Harris" is a meme where they discuss their desire to repeat the firebombing of German civilians in WWII. "Anglos" are beady eyed evil creatures who desire world domination that must be destroyed. In general whites are mocked as war loving incompetent drug addicts, degenerate decadents, among the most socially liberal of any racial group (on a global level), as well as spree killers who shoot up young children. Superior groups like Asians and Jews need to take control. Regularly people call for genocide against whites, mock whites for allegedly being the unwitting victims of genocide, and so on.

I'm not saying all this to imply that /pol/ is even handed but they simply don't talk like "white people have bad food! Lol they season turkey with water!". The entire self justification for their behavior in many cases revolves around believing others hate them as much as they hate others, and people are liable to spread anti-white hate speech just to agitate.

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