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Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Pie in the sky. Any realistic employer reading this plea should be turned off fairly quickly. Typically, it's a red flag when an employee gives an employer ultimatums while already in their employ (e.g., give me a raise of x amount or I will quit). This post is an example of a potential employee giving ultimatums to a future employer before they have even been given a job.

Thats a strange way of thinking about things. Why shouldn't the employee have power in the relationship. Employers are always giving ultimatums, no-remote, remote-only, 40 hours a week, $X/hr. But the employee/employer relationship is really only an agreement to do X much work for Y money. Everything else is secondary. Why shouldn't an employee's secondary concerns be just as important as the employer's secondary concerns ?

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree that it wasn't the right financial decision, but I don't regret it at all. I grew up working poor and watched multiple people lose their houses (some crash related, others not). This gave me a fairly conservative risk tolerance regarding debt. I feel "lighter" without debt hanging over me. The question that ultimately convinced me to just pay off my mortgage was "If someone gave you a house, free a…

Just wanted to thank you for the comment and clarify I didn't mean to criticize your choices - my background is very similar and it's just a realization I've had after stepping back and trying to think without those constraints/influences. I also know many people who lost houses or struggled, some which actually did cash-out refinances but then unwisely spent the money on unnecessary luxuries. Those seem easy to avoi…

No criticism or offense taken at all! I think these discussions are incredibly valuable for the participants and observers to help them decide what they want to do if/when they have a pile of money in front of them.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

#313
If you learn how to find what's interesting about the dullest of topics or tasks, you will never be bored a day in your life. I enjoy taking on tedious tasks that few people want sometimes. Being able to do something and do it well despite my brain yelling at me that it doesn't like it brings me satisfaction. Also, after a while my brain quiets down and starts enjoying itself. Perhaps the author should try this more often.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

#314
Interesting thought experiment! Let's take it one step further. Can the "pay what you want" value be negative?

As a manager I would be responsible for providing you with a steady stream of interesting or meaningful work. I would have to structure the work to fit around your flexible schedule, shield you from doing the parts you don't like, and change it up if you start getting bored. But I would not be able to rely on your output for anything mission critical.

How much would you pay me to provide this service to you?

(Please take this as tongue-in-cheek not as a snarky comment, it genuinely is an interesting thought experiment despite the obvious issues it raises).

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Just as an example, having to stay in the office if there's nothing else to do for the day was absolutely soul-crushing for me. That should literally never be the case for a developer though. You can always be improving the documentation, increasing the test coverage, optimizing for speed/bandwidth/complexity/some other metric you've measured, working out how to measure something, learning new tools or tech that coul…

> Just as an example, having to stay in the office if there's nothing else to do for the day was absolutely soul-crushing for me. > That should literally never be the case for a developer though. After 20+ years I've both been in such a position FULL TIME, as have others (eg: Many devs at ServiceNow) - hired on to work on cool things at an old small company and then literally sat around every day with no tasks and no…

There will always be times when you don't have anything that you've been told to work on.

That is not the same as having nothing to do.

At a certain "senior" level (in terms of attitude rather than job title) you're expected to be a self-starter and think of things to do for yourself. Once you can do that you have no excuse for having nothing to do.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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So there are two issues with this: 1. If I were looking to hire someone and read this, I would immediately be turned off. Why? Because part of being an engineer (or any employee really) is doing a bunch of stuff people don't enjoy doing. This includes: - Writing documentation - Writing tests - Fixing bugs - Talking to partners about a change/launch - Talking to lawyers - etc So I would be wondering: if you're signali…

I don't disagree with your first point but I think much depends on a person work ethic and what it means to them to do a good job. An engineer worth their salt would understand that success is not only writing the fun bits but also: the tests to make sure everything works as intended, documentation for their failing memory and having other contribute, bug fixes because we can't have those laying around, ...

As is, the signal is too weak to know if the person just wants a toy to play with (I doubt) or if they are ready for the full package because they understand it's how it should be done. Definitively a point to check thoroughly before hiring – but it would be the same for other candidates, right ?

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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There is something in the second paragraph that made me read it four times, I think, until I was able to read the rest of the post. The author somehow manages to turn around the fact of being laid off into freeing themselves from the "golden handcuffs finally". No matter how I read that paragraph, I can't help the feeling that the author misses the point:

the author did not make that decision, the author had no choice

But what's not landing with me: when the author had the choice, because let's face it, nobody cuffed the author to the desk, nobody forced anybody to do the boring tedious work - the author did not make the decision but rather was prolonging in that, what is portrayed, uncomfortable situation.

The rest of the post paints a portrait of a person who doesn't know what they want. No commitments, no responsibilities, one side wants without being explicit what they can give back.

I think that the key to this post is the paragraph starting with "Accepting a job offer is a bit like getting engaged or married:". But it should be rewritten like this:

> I know (I) will have to make compromises to make it work, but I should not go for it unless I am 100% sure and obviously I should not marry someone I don’t know. If I do, chances are I will end up being unhappy for a long time or staying with them for longer than I want, because I will get used to the day-to-day and the “rewards” while still getting to know them. When I begin to have an understanding of who this person really is, I will already be invested and leaving will be hard. Many never leave(, I never left and I was hurt because I was laid off while unprepared). For a company however, it is much easier to stay with someone who is unhappy in their relationship [with the company itself], because it’s a one-to-many relationship. They have many other employees they can rely on, and an underperforming or unhappy employee can be easily shadowed by better or happier ones without the company suffering. Is it starting to feel dysfunctional?

In that context, the last question could be the writing on the wall. I'm sorry if I come across as condescending, this is my interpretation: this portrays a person who openly admits is not able to make a commitment and is uncertain of their qualities.

The rest of the post suggests the person is looking for a quick fix instead of long term solution. Today they may like this, tomorrow that, today they do something for someone who pays $1/h, tomorrow maybe something better comes through so screw that $1/h. "Didn't like it anyway and you knew the rules so it's your fault".

I like author's rules. Assuming they stick to them. It might work for some companies so good luck.

As a side note: I was hoping to find the info if the person can raise invoices. Obviously, paying invoices in cryptocurrency might not land well with local tax authorities.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

#319
if you do interesting, fascinating, groundbreakng stuff, then presumably this is something of great value and you should own equity.

thats why I think a lot of people become founders.

so if you work for a startup you will literally get paid whatecer and work on cool stuff, haha

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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It's baffling to me why so many in this thread are so cynical, when burnout and bullshit like being a "passionate" engineer are so hyped. Of course you need to do some things you might hate doing in any given job. But, software engineering is a stressful and often times unforgiving drudgery. The vast majority of startups and companies serve the most vapid or ethically questionable markets, or are totally opaque in terms of where your value goes. Every startup ever asks you to "believe in it's mission" and that's typically to acquired (but ostensibly to change the world, through handcrafted advertising). If you do participate in the drudgery of programming for one of these hapless corporate entities or pointless startups too long, especially with no other personal reward than money, the thought to end your life or switch careers might cross your mind frequently. Good job OP, I like the idea.
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