In similar news, I continue to ignore podcasts on spotify. This mixing of purpose is harmful to the service in the long term. I wish nothing except failure for spotify podcasts.
Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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Wait, you left off the next sentence, which is very important: > Whether Rogan understood that several dozen shows were being removed — and may still be getting removed — is also unclear. 42 of his shows have been removed. Even out of 1631 shows, that seems like more than a few. For $100 million he may not care, but for general listeners its a little unnerving that Spotify would be doing this. I'm a grown adult, I ca…
> I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to I'm also a grown adult. I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones). Not sure I'm representative or part of a larger group than those that want to pay Spotify to hear Alex Jones. Hard to say. > If they find so much of the show unpalatable, why did they make the deal in the first place? Completel…
> I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones)
If you won’t use a service that lets you make custom playlists just because they also serve stuff that you don’t like to other people, and others do that, we’re going to only have terrible content.
Will you not shop at a bookstore that sells Alex Jones books?
Will you not ride on a bus that allows Alex Jones?
If people expect this level of micromanagement of content platforms then we’re doomed to only have content so boring that no one complains about it.
Shows how protocols are more important than platforms.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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> You are the one who brought sports into this. I simply stated he has been repeatedly accused of transphobia. His opinion on sports is part of that, but it isn't the only time he has been called transphobic. Ok, then find a clip where he promotes violence against trans people or any other group or tells people to hate them. The burden of proof is on people making the claim to provide evidence that supports it, not t…
You are arguing against points I never made. I didn't accuse him of transphobia. I said he can't go a few months without new accusations of transphobia. That is just a fact. If you want, you can go through those Google results from a few comments back and try to refute those accusations. I don't care enough about Joe Rogan to try to prove anything about him. I never said Spotify's policy was "a gold standard" or even…
Ok, if I understand correctly based on this and your original comment, you make two claims.
1. This was an "obvious eventuality"
2. This does not constitute mistreatment of Rogan by Spotify.
First, many of the episodes such as the Milo Yiannopoulos one predate the Spotify deal. Spotify knew what they were buying and should have said at the time what they were and were not willing to host. Only Spotify and and Rogan know for sure the details of what was in their contract, but from what Rogan has said on the show, they had agreed that Spotify would have no creative control and they would host the whole catalog. I doubt very, very much that anyone would engage in a 9-figure contract without spelling out these details. If Spotify has decided to renege on what they agreed to, I think that makes it both non-obvious that that would happen and mistreatment (they are not honoring the contract).
Whenever these controversies arise, if Rogan mentions them on the show at all he says that nobody from Spotify says anything to him about them and he gets no feedback from them at all about the content, since they aren't supposed to have any creative control over the show. Maybe he's lying, but if not, I think that would also be non-obvious and mistreatment if Spotify is telling Rogan there's no problem and then taking content down behind his back.
And just...I don't understand this attitude. "Well of course people will make baseless accusations, and you'll be punished because of them without anyone trying to figure out the facts! You know this will happen, so it's not a problem!" Like....yes, that's a problem.
"Of course you get sent to the gulag if someone accuses you of criticizing Stalin. You know it doesn't matter if it's true or not! You know all this, so it's not mistreatment! It's just an obvious eventuality!"
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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Thankfully silencing opinions you disagree with isn’t mainstream...yet.
It's absolutely mainstream on all sides to try to silence people you disagree with, and it always has been. Republicans tried to silence Nike and the NFL over Colin Kaepernick, Democrats tried to silence companies for doing business with the apartheid regime in South Africa, Republicans are trying to silence Coke and Delta for their support of voting rights, civil rights era people tried to silence racist bus compani…
Sure you can find specific examples, but thankfully the US still has some semblance of celebrating free speech.
And your examples of silence seem fuzzy. Who was trying to “silence” (suppress speech) of South Africa? Suppress their racist political system? Sure, but I don’t recall anyone saying they can’t talk.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…
>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…
It's ironic that somebody who is promoting ideological censorship is calling other people whiny.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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But what if the people making the decisions agree with the people you're describing as a terrorist mob? What if some of them do, and some of them don't, and this compromise reflects the diverse viewpoints of the people involved? Or what if it's a purely monetary decision, where hosting rogan is expected to be more profitable than not, and removing a few of his more controversial casts is expected to be more profitabl…
When I see a compelling op-ed or a principled stand against mobs from a mainstream platform, media, or consumer products executive, I'll certainly revisit my view, but until then, I'm sure they are compensated for any respect they may have traded.
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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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> Spotify has a policy that says they won't host certain content. Rogan and his guests have a history of saying things that don't fit that content policy. Citation needed This is Spotify's content policy: https://support.spotifyforpodcasters.com/hc/en-us/articles/3... Assuming we're not talking about infringing or illegal content, we're left to conclude that Rogan "promotes, advocates, or incites hatred or violence a…
I don't listen to Rogan. I can't speak to the specifics of what he says on his podcast. I know that he has had on multiple recurring guests that have been deplatformed elsewhere such as Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulos. Rogan also can't seem to go more than a few months without receiving accusations of transphobia[1]. You are also welcome to click through the link in my previous comment and see the issue discussed in…
Anyone who actually listens to his podcast knows that it's not true that he promotes hate.
I love how you resort to the "many people feel" standard with a hand wave. Many people where I live feel that cell phone towers give them cancer so we need to get rid of the cell phone towers on that burden of proof. Many people feel like the moon landing was faked. Many people think educating women is heretical. Shall we surrender to them as well?
Delegating judgment to other people is weak and cowardly. Feel free to form your own opinions based on your observation of the facts but it's disgusting to come in here and say "many people".
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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> You are the one who brought sports into this. I simply stated he has been repeatedly accused of transphobia. His opinion on sports is part of that, but it isn't the only time he has been called transphobic. Ok, then find a clip where he promotes violence against trans people or any other group or tells people to hate them. The burden of proof is on people making the claim to provide evidence that supports it, not t…
You are arguing against points I never made. I didn't accuse him of transphobia. I said he can't go a few months without new accusations of transphobia. That is just a fact. If you want, you can go through those Google results from a few comments back and try to refute those accusations. I don't care enough about Joe Rogan to try to prove anything about him. I never said Spotify's policy was "a gold standard" or even…
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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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People across the world calling you a fascist / communist, with 30 seconds of effort, to their and your 1,000 closest friends, seems like a pretty new phenomenon.
"your 1,000 closest friends?"
Sarcasm really doesn't help online communication. I think they're referring to a phenomenon called "dogpiling" where a twitterer says something about a person they don't like, and their followers have a field day trashing the person. The phenomenon isn't new, but the magnitude is.
Come to think of it, maybe just the speed and availability. Mass letter writing campaigns are totally a thing, but they require significant efforts to coordinate
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…
It's ironic that somebody who is promoting ideological censorship is calling other people whiny.
Yes, I support the right of any private business to engage in ideological censorship if they want to. I don't care if it's Spotify and Rogan or a Christian business censoring atheists or a homophobic cake shop not selling gay wedding cakes. They all ought to have the right to choose how they do business.
If you don't like it, don't sell your rights away, and go somewhere else. That's how free societies work. Private citizen can lobby, workers can protest, customers can boycott, and everyone's free to start their own venture with their own rules, that's how you deal with it.