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Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account
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Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account
#312Twitter has increasingly slid into user-hostile territory. I moderate /r/Twitter on reddit and we have a pinned thread just showing nothing but complaint after complaint, because content moderation is a failure when you attempt to scale it. We'd like to get Twitter Comms to address it at some point, but the company is opaque. It's just nuts.
Just a small anecdote: I created a company account, then set the birthday to ~1 year ago, when the company was registered. Everything was fine for 5 minutes, then my account has been blocked with a notification telling me that I need to be at least 13 years old to use Twitter. I can still login but cannot access the settings to change the birthday (or just remove it) as a screen “fix your age or prove your identity”…
Similar story: I finally created an account last week and after a few minutes of looking around, I tried to follow 1 person and got locked out. It requires a phone number to the unlock the account now. Just feels like gratuitous extortion of personal data. Also, seriously asking: Why does it even let you create an account with email if it will force you to give a phone number anyway?
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another You're assuming good faith from both parties. Harassers and trolls don't act in good faith.
There is a well-known recipe against trolls: do not feed them. Block and ignore them. If you visit a bathroom, you normally don't bloviate about the kind of crap you had just to flush, you rather avoid the topic; the same applies to trolls. Bring zero attention to them. Trolls' game is all about drawing attention, in the form of ire, offense, and and panic. Deprive them this, and they'll cease to bother you much. Thi…
Or let them find each other and build their own little filter bubble of hate until they storm the US Capitol.
Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account
#314In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…
There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…
Speaking of that..
What I find interesting is that the more you travel for leasure and meet people from other countries. The more that you learn about different view points.
Also the more gross that identity politics and shamming practices over viewpoints becomes. I'm not saying that you should support people you don't agree with. But, there's a heck of a lot of other cultures that are at odds with what's going on.
Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account
#315In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…
The old internet with webforums for particular topics, where the moderators knew the posters, was a better model.
I don't know that I entirely agree. The old Internet isn't gone, I spend more time at a couple topic-specific vBulletin forums than I do on HN or Reddit. The only aspect that might be better is the subtopic division. But I'm not entirely convinced about that, either.
Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account
#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
IIRC, Memphis, TN was named after the great city in Egypt and even has a Pyramid, although it may be a shopping center.
I've heard it's a giant Bass Pro Shop. Incidently, I'm driving by Memphis this Tuesday - now I'm inclined to check it out!
There's a great recent video on the Memphis Pyramid from Bright Sun Films [0] - 10th tallest pyramid in the world!
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not sure I understand your claim... there are many global-scale companies that do moderate their entire site... Google, Reddit, Amazon. Are you trying to make a more specific claim than your post lets on? Maybe that it’s impossible to moderate without making some concession you don’t prefer? Or it’s impossible to moderate away certain kinds of things?
You're going to use Reddit as an example, where the people least deserving of power are given it, freely, and end up banning people for merely having different opinions? I would not have used that in my list. It doesn't boil down to a "concession I don't prefer". The only thing you moderate are those things deemed illegal by the Federal government, anything else is fair game, which brings us a pretty large umbrella o…
> Some people don't want to engage in those discussions because they're hard and/or unpleasant. They not required to, and can freely leave them and ignore them.
They did leave, and then they made the new space where those discussion are not tolerated. We are talking inside one of such places.
Some people don't want to understand that there are discussion places which limit certain topics. They are not required to, and can freely leave and ignore them. They have plenty of other places where uncensored discussions can occur.
Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account
#318In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…
There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…
What's wrong with the good old method, "separate communities"?
A group of people talking about sports will reject (or moderate) people who want to talk about latest programming languages.
A group of people talking about computer-related stuff will downvote and flag non-computer news about latest sport game.
The global discussion forum without any moderation does not live long. We can moderate the entire world if we split it into many small parts and give member power to do so.
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
Risk is a part of life, driving a car puts people at risk. Going out with a mask also puts people at risk. Coal and nuclear power put people at risk. You can’t eliminate risk by restricting people’s rights, at some point the restrictions cause more measureable harm and risk of future harm than they eliminate.
We restrict people's rights all the time. You don't have the right to drive drunk, or fly a drone around an airport or raise a false fire alarm in a crowded theater etc etc. Society is a balancing act of one person's freedoms vs another. Why should I have to endure life threating extra risk for something that's a trivial inconvenience on your part like wearing a mask? I have to say that this kind of me-first libertar…
> Why should I have to endure life threating extra risk for something that's a trivial inconvenience on your part like wearing a mask?
This question can be reasonably applied to any restriction on anyone’s liberty and the answer is that we always have to strike a balance and there will always be people like yourself who are unhappy with where that balance lies.
> I have to say that this kind of me-first libertarian thinking is a big part of the reason I choose not to live in the US anymore.
I’m glad that you sought out a community that strikes a balance more to your liking but you should probably consider that libertarians in the US do not consider the balance between personal freedom and social risk in the US to be representative of their values. The US is a neoliberal country, not a libertarian country. And that’s fine, and that’s also not for everyone, people who find themselves too far from the center of discourse should find a community where they are more at home. The world is a big place.
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#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm really not clear on what you're advocating here. Going out in public without a mask increases the risk of transmitting the virus to other people, possibly killing them. In this case one person's freedoms impinge on another's.
Risk is a part of life, driving a car puts people at risk. Going out with a mask also puts people at risk. Coal and nuclear power put people at risk. You can’t eliminate risk by restricting people’s rights, at some point the restrictions cause more measureable harm and risk of future harm than they eliminate.
And that's why we have driver licences, clean air laws, NRC.
You can't just subject other people to risk because you want to, since it is the community who is going to pay the price, it is the community that decides how to restrict the rights.
(Granted, the process for making that decision is not always the best, but unfortunately this is the only one we have)