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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by djsumdog »

nullc wrote: post #290
walrus01 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". Glenn Greenwald also chose to make the fake Giuliani/Hunter Biden laptop story the hill on which he wished to die upon, related to his resignation from the Intercept, so whatever credibility he had remaining has long since departed. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=greenwald...

> the fake Giuliani/Hunter Biden laptop story What was fake about it? AFAIK no factual claim has been refuted and some have been robustly proved (e.g. the gmail sent emails that have been published pass DKIM validation). If you want to say the timing of it was a transparent attempt at political manipulation, I'd fully agree.

Exactly, and weeks after the story broke, it was revealed the FBI was actively investigating Hunter Biden.

You can also download all the uncensored photos on many leak websites. The photos are clearly Hunter Biden in many sexually explicit positions (although none of them appear to be underage as was suggested by some).

I think there is a prima fascia case against Hunter for his ties to Burisma and his appointment being purely for political clout and a power move; a move that should be investigated for possible direct security risks to the American government and the American people.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by tptacek »

Natsu wrote: post #246
tptacek wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the previous comment where you said this is dead, I'll repeat my response here: Amazon presented Parler with a list of violent posts that they had reported to Parler and that Parler had refused to remove. The whole letter Amazon sent to Parler was reported out by Buzzfeed, including screenshots of the violent posts that Parler did not remove.

Parler's complaint references here says that they did remove them and also that the article referenced was leaked before it was sent to Parler. We'll have to watch this play out in court, later.

I don't know whether that's true or false but I also don't know why it matters. Absent a confidentiality clause AWS is free to publish whatever they want. Certainly, people routinely publish their private communications with AWS.

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Post by gt565k »

revlolz wrote: post #277
gt565k wrote: post #78

How does stuff like this work in Germany, as I believe they have a lot of anti nazi laws against hate speech etc? Like this should would have been shut down weeks in advance in Germany. Have we learned nothing from history? I can't believe people are fighting to give racists, mentally ill, brainwashed extremists a platform to organize and plot violent acts behind the disguise of free speech.

I have one question for you. At what point do you begin to question your ideology for it's intolerance, double standards, and moral inconsistencies? Have YOU learned nothing from history, ironically Hitler's rise to power, to even question the dogma being fed to you regarding racism and violence? I'm not saying you have to tolerate or even agree with your opposition. However, I'd challenge you to not partake in the p…

My man, the site (parler) is literally used by people who believe the lies that the election is stolen, who want to hang mike pence, who want to go to the capitol with guns and kill the elected representatives. It failed to moderate content that incites violence and was literally build to attract extremists who are on that platform to plot violent acts.

There's a reason it got shut down by everyone.

Get your head out of your ass.

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Post by steviedotboston »

xkeysc0re wrote: post #251
metalliqaz wrote: post #226

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he has always been like this. if it wasn't for Snowden choosing him because he liked his politics, nobody would care what Greenwald has to say.

Nah I disagree. He used to truly dive into the story regardless of ideology. It was about the truth and the facts of the case. Specifically, his writing on the Anthrax case is top-tier journalism. He also bravely defended Nazis in court and stood up for their rights, which I deeply respect (and a totally different scenario than the current Parler debacle). But having said that, it's clear lately he puts politics / op…

Or maybe he always put politics first and people just didn't notice

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Post by tptacek »

chrisco255 wrote: post #166
tptacek wrote: post #92

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"Collusion" isn't generally a thing. Providers can lawfully cooperate for all sorts of reasons; the exceptions are the cases they can't, not the cases they can. For instance, providers could run private channels for banning users that spread CSAM (and I'd be surprised if they didn't).

And in doing so, they would be forming a centralized information cartel. And the opportunities for abuse of such systems is now more than apparent. They have effectively booted a Twitter competitor off the internet, working in concert. If that's not legal cause for antitrust action, then antitrust is no longer a thing.

Do you have an argument that would be persuasive to people who don't believe that coordinated efforts to eliminate CSAM constitute antitrust violations?

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Post by bigtones »

Phil_Latio wrote: post #286
bigtones wrote: post #94

1). AWS can suspend service for any customer immediately upon giving that customer notice. They do not have to provide a "remediation period" or give the customer any grace time at all. Every customer agrees to this as part of the AWS Customer Agreement 2). AWS can terminate an account immediately if they deem you in violation of their policies instead of a suspension - as was the case with Parler. It's all in the AW…

I see the following: > We may terminate this Agreement for any reason by providing you at least 30 days’ advance notice. and > Either party may terminate this Agreement for cause if the other party is in material breach of this Agreement and the material breach remains uncured for a period of 30 days from receipt of notice by the other party. The latter obviosuly applies here. Am I missing something?

7.2 B ii). We may also terminate this Agreement immediately upon notice to you (A) for cause if we have the right to suspend under Section 6

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Post by tptacek »

Strs2FillMyDrms wrote: post #134
tptacek wrote: post #26

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It's worth noting that the "Hang Mike Pence" tweets were a reference to what the rioters were chanting when they stormed the Capitol.

Also referencing the L. Lin Wood parler https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753?s...

So much for Greenwald's case.

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Post by hollerith »

nickysielicki wrote: post #234
caminocorner wrote: post #155

> However, Friday night one of the top trending tweets on Twitter was “Hang Mike Pence. This has been going on for 12 years. More evidence that both sides use Twitter for violence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/14/violent...

It wasn't too long ago that we cheer-on and celebrate how Twitter hosted calls for political violence. Much was said about how Twitter enabled the Arab Spring, and how that was so wonderful. There's even a wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_and_the_Arab_Spri... Now the Western elite (on both sides, mind you -- whether it's against BLM or the Proud Boys) are doing their best pikachu face. Mob-s…

That's a good point, and also I've seen comments here praising the "Arab Spring" years after it killed many millions of people (in Syria, Libya, etc.).

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Post by moate »

chefkoch wrote: post #250
kypro wrote: post #192

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The difference is that Parler was a disruptive platform, 4chan isn't. There is a bunch of awful content hosted on AWS, but it's generally only when you reach some scale and become a threat to those in silicon valley that you can expect to be shut off.

Why is Parler disruptive?

Because AWS decided it was. It's really that basic. I think gay people should be able to get wedding cakes from literally any baker as a protected class, but the law disagrees with me. The end, unless new laws are passed.

Parler is not a protected class, their users posts are not protected speech. The only leg they will have to stand on is the terms of their AWS contract, which AWS will likely have had lawyers craft with steel vault level protections to shield the company from liability in cases like this. It would be shocking if Parler wins this injunction (and based on time sensitivity, we'll probably find out later today) but even if they do long term they're going to have to build/buy new server structure.

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Post by meekmockmook »

overscore wrote: post #179
meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

> Sectarian violence is not just a term for non-Western countries. Has it ever been? Probably the best known use of the word in many countries is The Troubles.

You're 100 percent right.. i just think it's turned into a buzzword for "foreigners fighting amongst themselves" since the War on Terror began.
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