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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by tootie »

nickysielicki wrote: post #255
maurys wrote: post #57

While I understand that Twilio is probably not at fault for the actual leak, I'm curious if they gave Parler some time to migrate/shift before cutting them off from their services. It's easy not to care since Parler is the "bad guy" here, but I do think that Internet infrastructure companies need to give a reasonable heads-up before pulling the rug under business customers.

This whole ordeal really sours Twilio in my mind. Whereas AWS can plausibly claim that they don't want to host illegal content, what can Twilio say for themselves here? From Twilios perspective, providing Twilio's core product to Parler isn't any different than serving them to other platforms. They have no responsibility or liability. The lack of moderation on Parler is irrelevant when Twilio isn't involved with movi…

If we had a responsible administration we'd probably be seeing takedown requests from DHS over national security grounds. This isn't just a speech issue, it's safety. There's a void of government guidance on how to deal with this in a measured way, so deplatforming is the easiest and safest option. They can't force Parler to moderate their content and they can't let themselves be party to fomenting insurrection.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by judge2020 »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #293
dingusthemingus wrote: post #50

Wiki says Parler is a team of 30 people, So realistically, does that mean like 10 devs running a social network with 5-10 million users? I imagine its pretty ceazy there right now after getting booted off AWS, google just banned u off play store, so cant use them, i assume they cant use microsoft because theyll ban them there as well, it would be cool to see if they are able to get things up and running again. (Ive n…

What I don't understand is: if you're going to host something like Parler, knowing that it is extremely controversial, why wouldn't you host it yourselves? The money they would have saved over using AWS (at the scale quoted in the previous comments) could have paid for the servers and the people to manage them. I suppose the deplatformers would have just gone after whatever data center they used, though, or if they'd…

They were a startup at heart, and what dev with access to millions of dollars will be interested in running some enterprise VM solution over the shiny toys you get by using AWS or GCP?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by pavel_lishin »

sanedigital wrote: post #221
nkrisc wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not gonna lie: I find it very difficult to be upset by this when the site was a haven for people who want to mass executions for people like me. For me, the world is a little more complex than "privacy at all costs." It's hard to decide where to draw the line.

Talk about hyperbole. In no way did even 1% of the population on Parler want mass executions for people like you.

But for the people that did, it was absolutely a haven.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by tootie »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #293
dingusthemingus wrote: post #50

Wiki says Parler is a team of 30 people, So realistically, does that mean like 10 devs running a social network with 5-10 million users? I imagine its pretty ceazy there right now after getting booted off AWS, google just banned u off play store, so cant use them, i assume they cant use microsoft because theyll ban them there as well, it would be cool to see if they are able to get things up and running again. (Ive n…

What I don't understand is: if you're going to host something like Parler, knowing that it is extremely controversial, why wouldn't you host it yourselves? The money they would have saved over using AWS (at the scale quoted in the previous comments) could have paid for the servers and the people to manage them. I suppose the deplatformers would have just gone after whatever data center they used, though, or if they'd…

Probably same reason everyone else uses cloud services. They're just way easier, faster and cheaper if you don't have the engineering capacity in-house. I'm sure they're pivoting to self-hosting right now, but it could easily be 2 months of frantic work to get back online with a system that can only handle a fraction of the traffic. And I'm sure they get hit with DDoS attacks 8 days a week.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by TomSwirly »

swalsh wrote: post #99
newacct583 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler was ground zero for the community that announced and executed the attack on the capitol. Thought leaders there were routinely evoking, imagining, and outright calling for violence, and the crowd was a feedback loop. Fundamentally the Parler community existed to provide a platform for people who had been already banned from Twitter. Frankly the peaceful use of the site was mostly incidental. I think there's a r…

I generally agree that information from here related to the attack is in the public interest. But this is going to also reveal people who had no part of it. I don't think it's fair to justify revealing innocent peoples data.

Why are we always asked to care about awful people who would happily see us all dead?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by secondcoming »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #266
mabbo wrote: post #8

This story truly terrifies me: my team owns my company's sign up page. (I speak for myself and not them, of course). Sounds like Parler, fearing that their OTP provider might go down, decided to fail-open, ie: if the dependency throws an exception, presume there's something wrong with the dependency and that the code provided is acceptable. It never occurred to them that the dependency could be down permanently, or t…

To give a bit of context, this is the "Keyboard Cowboy Hack The Planet" Parler lead engineer: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErcFo5tXAAAa0KP?format=jpg&name=...

That's uncalled for.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by TomSwirly »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #211
newacct583 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You can't be serious. There were literally millions of users on the platform.

Literally tens of millions of people strongly supported the attack on the Capitol. And instead of realizing that this is a bad idea, they are doubling down.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by gooseus »

jaywalk wrote: post #295
gooseus wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impressions is that everyone whinging about privacy with regards to giving seditionists and terrorists a space to coordinate and share misinformation after the biggest attack on the US since 9/11 are just being contrarian or are absolutist to a fault in their libertarian ideals (which I mostly share). People minimizing this attack and not treating it like a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis for the US are not consideri…

> the biggest attack on the US since 9/11 This is an absolutely disgusting and disgraceful thing to say.

So you can name a bigger attack on the US that has happened in the last 20 years?

Far fewer lives were lost, but the impact and implications of this are on par.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by [deleted] »

djtriptych wrote: post #224
swalsh wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I generally agree that information from here related to the attack is in the public interest. But this is going to also reveal people who had no part of it. I don't think it's fair to justify revealing innocent peoples data.

The rules are different when the democracy is at stake, as this country's history should have taught you.

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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Consultant32452 »

Pfhreak wrote: post #198
cbgonz wrote: post #131

Hmmm... comes close to lynching a ton of people, if you ask me. Never mind who´s right or wrong, the point is that we all agree upon trusting a judicial system to do this kind of thing, don´t we?

These folks had their private messages exposed. In no way is that "close to lynching". Depending on what the user posted, they might be embarrassed, lose their jobs, or end up in court. We can have a reasonable discussion about the ethics of hacking a site like parler, but not if the starting point is "this is the equivalent of violent mobs literally murdering innocent people".

Many had images of their driver's licenses revealed also. Calling this close to lynching is definitely hyperbole, but it's also true that their identity and addresses were revealed and their lives are in eminent danger.
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