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U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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I can't vote to unflag things, but this really, really should not be flagged. It is just a little more important than most political garbage.

Why, seriously? Those of us who care what is happening have the news and political discussion sites open in other tabs. No one who cares is ignoring current events. I think it’s just as important to flag it as anything else that doesn’t meet the rules.

Please don't speak for so many people. I, for example, do not have such sites open.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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All: I've turned off the flags because this is the sort of new phenomenon that the site guidelines explicitly allow for: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re the comments about flags: the messy tug-of-war that you're seeing between upvoting, flagging, and moderating is what always happens with this kind of story, so if you're drawing any significant conclusion about HN from this one case, it's probably exaggerated: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

While I have you: before commenting, make sure you're up to date on the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. They've changed significantly in the last year. Here's the kind of discussion we want: thoughtful, curious, substantive. Here's the kind we don't want: snarky, reflexive, attacking. Make sure you can follow the core rule—"Be kind."—and its corollary, which hasn't yet made it into the doc: "If you're hot under the collar, please cool down before posting." That's in your interest for two reasons: your views will be better represented, and you'll help to preserve the all-too-fragile commons that we all depend on.

(Also, for those who haven't seen any of my annoying mentions of this yet, large threads on HN are currently paginated for performance reasons, which means you need to click More at the bottom of the thread to get to the rest of the comments—or like this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25661474&p=2

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Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

As this is HN, I really believe that this lack of a shared reality is only possible with the Internet. Before the Internet, there were more conservative sources and more liberal sources, but never before could you completely surround yourself with your own version of reality. And more importantly, your version of reality is constantly reinforced by algorithms that are specifically designed to raise your level of rage…

I heard the argument that US used to more homogeneous ( which was reinforced by the media forcing the same values ). Now that the franchise increased with more groups trying to grab a slice, the values clashed. In other words, the people were always there, but were either not visible, ignored or marginalized.

I am willing to buy this argument.

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post #124

The Confederate flag is being flown outside the senate floor [1]: [1]: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErEof0AXYAkTU-w.jpg

I am curious if federal prison is worth the photo op?

Unfortunately this is also going to be another superspreader event. Odds are this will lead to fatalities even without this violence.

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post #295
post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

The people do it to themselves. They believe what they want to believe, hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see. This is still largely a free country where there are multiple independent sources of "news", and individuals voluntarily expose themselves or not to whatever they choose. As far as I know, nobody is tied down in a chair and forced to watch certain TV shows or listen to certain radio shows fo…

But when media organizations peddling outright lies are allowed to call it "news", and are treated as being just as valid as genuine journalistic organizations by the various institutions of our country, it is, for want of a better term, no longer a "free market" of news.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

#316

Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

Put simply, I don't know what to believe. As an IT security worker, I have absolutely no faith in the election since voting required the use of hackable electronic voting machines. We need to restore trust in the system. An idiot needs to be able to understand and audit it. Until that happens, there will always be people who think it's rigged, and politicians will always exploit that.

"no faith in the election since voting required the use of hackable electronic voting machines."

The voting machines produce a paper ballot, which can be recounted and audited.

The elections were fine.

100% of the issue is derived from Trump's attempt to sow doubt, and of course, his enablers.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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This is partly a result of the left steadfastly opposing measures to protect the integrity of US elections, including strong voter ID laws (which are common throughout the developed world) out of fear that such measures will somehow disenfranchise people who apparently can't even spare an hour at the DMV every few years and can't afford to pay the small processing fee ($9-13, in NY[1]) to get an id. As a non-voter, such people being "disenfranchised" doesn't really bother me, and is a small price to pay for Americans collectively being able to have confidence in their election results.

[1] https://dmv.ny.gov/id-card/get-non-driver-id-card-ndid

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

#318

I don't understand how the same people who said we should defund the police are forcefully suggesting that we need a strong police response here? I'm not going to take any sides. All sides are so rife with hypocrisy that I just don't know what to say.

> But all sides are so rife with hypocrisy that I just don't know what to say. You apparently know how to both-sides insurgents invading the capitol so you’ve got that going for you. But here’s a hint: “defund” and “abolish” are different words with different meanings, and using one rather than the other is purposeful.

No they aren't. According to the Oxford English Dictionary:

de·fund

prevent from continuing to receive funds. "the California Legislature has defunded the Industrial Welfare Commission"

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