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Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by webmobdev »

Bodell wrote: post #119
mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

Honestly if your name your product stupid things I would think that some of us might be choosing not to download your product as a result. And if a store decides not to sell your product because of this it’s really their prerogative. Saying you violated their terms with impunity for 6 years doesn’t mean they lose the right to correct the mistake. This name is pretty rings rather badly in my ears, though I’m not offen…

This just detracts us from the actual discussion - do you think Apple should be the ultimate arbitrator to decide what you name your app?

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Post by adhder »

Shank wrote: post #213

As someone who depends on amphetamines to function daily, it’s disheartening to see their use further stigmatized. For many people like me, amphetamines help them live a normal life. The app isn’t called “meth” or “methamphetamine” and it’s not referring to a street drug. I’m saddened to see so many equating amphetamines to illicit drugs, when that’s simply not the full story. This perception is exactly what stops pe…

Exactly this! And yet again we see arrogant HNers bask in their own ignorance of anything outside of writing shitty web apps.

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Post by sudosysgen »

fishnchips wrote: post #58
Unklejoe wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amphetamine on the other hand has only one very well defined use case. Are you referring to the widespread use of it as an ADHD medication for children all throughout the nation?

Apologies, where I come from this is not a common treatment for ADHD. I’m not a specialist but as a father of two lively boys I did my share of reading about diagnosing and treating ADHD in Europe.

What drugs are, according to your reasearch, widely used in Europe? Here in Canada, Amphetamines are widespread, from Vyvanse to Adderall to Evekeo.

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Post by crusty »

xiphias2 wrote: post #222
eecc wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I can’t help questioning the “non-violent” part: it takes incredible amounts of energy to maintain that is quite literally taken away from other - possibly more helpful at social scale - purposes.

I think we use a different definition of violence.

Yeah, you use the one that fits your narrative, and it works wonders until you try to pass it off to people who haven't latched onto that narrative, and then you come to a crossroads, do you summarily discount their perspective and go on your merry way unfazed and unchanged, or do you reconcile this new perspective and potentially confront issues with your narrative.

I don't know you but based on that facile response, I'm guessing you're more down for the former - considering the deleterious externalities of bitcoin mining at scale are pretty well known.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

I hate to agree with you, because I think I know what the 'right' thing is from my perspective. Sometimes to make a change, you have to fight and, likely, lose. You don't always effect change by winning. That said, I am not sure I would be willing to make that kind of decision.. and thankfully that is not my decision to make here.

I too recommend live to run another day approach ( ala Rincewind ).

..then again, this may be the right time to do stand up to Apple. Current upheaval in tech, clear battle lines being drawn over everything from section 230 to app store could stack up things in your favor..

Still, it is only a chance.

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

warent wrote: post #219
bambax wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m not offended by the word “fuck” but I don’t really want to buy products that are named that. Then don't. How is this relevant? They say the app has been downloaded 500,000 times, so many people are fine with the name. These stories keep coming; they should remind us that nothing is more precious than the open web, and all those stores or walled gardens, their "rules" and vague TOS are the ennemy.

In my mind maybe this is something like an HOA. Sure, your friends might love your house parties, but your neighbors have to deal with the consequences

How could this analogy work? There's no consequences to having a app with the word 'fuck' in it. Meanwhile throwing big parties obviously does to neighbors. I don't feel a lot of meatspace analogies work to things that are purely digital and can be filtered or ignored, while a houseparty with 100+ people and its noise and drunk drivers obviously cant be.

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Post by croes »

jMyles wrote: post #280
Shank wrote: post #213

As someone who depends on amphetamines to function daily, it’s disheartening to see their use further stigmatized. For many people like me, amphetamines help them live a normal life. The app isn’t called “meth” or “methamphetamine” and it’s not referring to a street drug. I’m saddened to see so many equating amphetamines to illicit drugs, when that’s simply not the full story. This perception is exactly what stops pe…

While I wholeheartedly agree with the thrust of your argument (particularly that stigmatization is detrimental)... > it’s not referring to a street drug. Amphetamine (and other amphetamines) are certainly available as 'street drugs'. The stigmatization of 'street drugs' (and generally, drug use as part of someone's self-directed diet) is also harmful.

So apps with the words pep or speed in the name are also inappropriate?

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Post by dempseye »

redwall_hp wrote: post #291
permo-w wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caffeine would be an easy answer to the rebranding question

Caffeine was the old application that Amphetamine replaced. It was a long-standing utility that went unmaintained after Apple switched to the retina displays.

Really? I am still using it. It works fine with a Retina display, which is the only Apple display I've ever had.

2014 MBP 15 here.

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