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Re: Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zero-Click’ Exploit

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Post by boomboomsubban » Wed, Dec 23, 2020, 3:50 PM UTC

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #310

boomboomsubban wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be able to agree with your extremely forgiving view of the military's actions if they didn't cover the incident up for years. Instead, they intentionally shot unarmed civilians who had done nothing wrong merely for being close to people carrying weapons and reported killing insurgents.

I’m not “forgiving” anything, just accurately recalling the events. You seem to be intent on lying about what happened, even though it’s all in video.

You keep accusing me of lying without even attempting to explain how I'm wrong. The original group containing two journalists was fired on with the US fully aware only a few weapons were present, and with no hostile actions happening. Explain how shooting those people isn't intentionally targeting unarmed civilians.

Re: Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zero-Click’ Exploit

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Post by boomboomsubban » Wed, Dec 23, 2020, 5:39 PM UTC

Daho0n wrote: post #307

boomboomsubban wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The difference with Italy is that it does not receive state aid from the Americans. I'm sure if they were then people would be calling for cuts in a similar situation. This isn't true. On top of the general disaster aid, including $10 million for COVID, we have seven US military bases in the country which accounts for millions a year in aid.

The US is by far the worst aid giver in the western world. Most so-called aid is "you can have this gift if you use it to buy X, Y or Z from businesses in the US". Look to Scandinavia and you'll see actual aid instead of (poorly) hidden state sponsoring of defense contractors. They even give more per capita than the US without those strings attached. US aid is embarrassing. Besides, US bases are not aid to the host c…

>Besides, US bases are not aid to the host country but aid by the host country to the US.

They eliminate some need for the host country to spend on their military, often provide rent money, and stimulate the local economy. It's done to usurp sovereignty, but the host agrees as it benefits them financially.

I don't disagree with your broader point, but I don't see how it changes anything. Calls to stop aid to a country differ even if the countries do the same thing.

Re: Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zero-Click’ Exploit

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Post by Stierlitz » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 4:17 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #273

Stierlitz wrote: post #219

"The phones were compromised using an exploit chain that we call KISMET, which appears to involve an invisible zero-click exploit in iMessage" Why aren't there a hardware switch on the phones that renders the OS read-only during normal use?

How would this work, and how would it help?

@saagarjha > How would this work, and how would it help?

Well if the OS is rendered read-only at the hardware level then malware can't take up residence.

Re: Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zero-Click’ Exploit

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Post by saagarjha » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

Stierlitz wrote: post #313

saagarjha wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would this work, and how would it help?

@saagarjha > How would this work, and how would it help? Well if the OS is rendered read-only at the hardware level then malware can't take up residence.

The malware would run out of RAM, then. It’s not like the files it’s writing to disk are enabling it to gain persistence.