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Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by NorwegianDude »

welterde wrote: post #301
NorwegianDude wrote: post #300

Since when does IPv4-addresses cost money? I'm pretty sure IPs are allocated for free if available and you have a use case for them? I know RIPE now want members to charge customers for IPs, but..

Ever since the big RIRs (like RIPE) have run out of IPv4 addresses to allocate - which was a couple years ago (ARIN was out 2015; and RIPE ran out end of last year - and that was already with quite restrictive allocation policies).

I got a hold of a few addresses for free last year, but this year it was clear that RIPE wanted members to charge for IPs.

I see that RIPE is currently only giving out a /24 for free to those who haven't received an allocation before, so my bad.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by Tempest1981 »

whimsicalism wrote: post #298
fortran77 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he lived in California, he'd only be taking home 10K a month. Tuition, room and board at Stanford would take most of the rest.

Tuition, room and board at stanford isn't $120k

It's around $80k, plus computer and travel

https://financialaid.stanford.edu/undergrad/budget/

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Post by hansvm »

Spooky23 wrote: post #290
missedthecue wrote: post #248

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How much trust do you really need to lend to them if you're just using it because you want to unblock Netflix or get around your school/work network barriers?

Many people think they are buying some sort of security.

I don't think that's unintentional either. All my targeted ads lately have been for VPNs, and anecdotally every single one has made a huge deal about the dangers of roaming the internet when not "protected" by a VPN. Every single one of my non-tech friends who has asked about security and privacy has had similar misconceptions too.

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Post by judge2020 »

freehunter wrote: post #247
sammax wrote: post #239

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how do they do that?

Basically like Tor, some VPNs route someone else's VPN connection through your VPN client. If I want an IP address in Sweden and someone in Sweden wants a US address some VPN companies would just route our traffic through each other's home addresses (potentially leaving you on the hook for what the other user was doing).

Tor doesn't automatically turn your connection into an exit node when you connect to it.

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Post by welterde »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #311
welterde wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever since the big RIRs (like RIPE) have run out of IPv4 addresses to allocate - which was a couple years ago (ARIN was out 2015; and RIPE ran out end of last year - and that was already with quite restrictive allocation policies).

I got a hold of a few addresses for free last year, but this year it was clear that RIPE wanted members to charge for IPs. I see that RIPE is currently only giving out a /24 for free to those who haven't received an allocation before, so my bad.

Even before the end of last year it was limited to exactly one last /22 per LIR for a few years already. The pool that was set aside for that last allocation was depleted at the end of last year.

Now they are limited to handing out /24's that are returned to them to hand out to new ISPs (since going IPv6-only is still not quite possible..).

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by TechBro8615 »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #97
TechBro8615 wrote: post #49

I used to own 10k IP addresses that I sold as proxy servers to internet marketers. I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. I had no idea what I was doing and eventually shut down the company, but damn, I wish I at least kept control of those things. If you want to see some sketchy shit, look deeply into what the VPN companies are doing.

> I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. Lord man, what kind of bills were these?

The profit was more like 10k because the hosts all convinced me each server could only handle 256 IP addresses.

And I shut it down because the support requests became unmanageable, there was rampant fraud, chargeback rates were through the roof. I had more important things to do / opportunities to focus on.

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Post by hansvm »

planetafro wrote: post #183
rdbell wrote: post #144

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My startup offers a residential IP sharing model where users get paid to share their bandwidth: https://packetstream.io

Is the 3% fee to "cash out" earned on your end or PayPal? It just feels a little disengenuous to advertise a rate but the only way to receive payment is at a loss of 3%. ...or is the model that the sharers are also customers and you encourage them to use the service while discouraging "cashout"?

It's been awhile since I've done much with PayPal, but at one point a typical fee was $0.30 + 2.9%, so at a 3% fee they'd be taking a small hit in the processing fees for orders below $300 and turning a mild profit when people cash out for more than that. YMMV with their current fee structure.

Agreed it's a little scummy to not factor your operating expenses into the price of the product, especially if that's not blatantly obvious from the outset.

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Post by wmf »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #304
wmf wrote: post #277

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Stockpiling IP addresses is already forbidden (although not really enforced). AWS is using these addresses for EC2 VMs.

Forbidden where? I.P. addresses, unlike real estate, are a matter that's hard to bind to any specific jurisdiction.

Putting legacy aside, all IP addresses are under the governance of a RIR and all RIRs require IP holdings to be justified by usage.

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Post by i_like_to_post »

detaro wrote: post #310
i_like_to_post wrote: post #309

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I see how the crowd here is downvoting me heavily for just stating the simple truth that IPv6 is inconvenient, when compared to IPv4. But if it was false, an IPv4 address wouldn't cost $20-$30 (vs $0 for IPv6) and Amazon wouldn't be hoarding $2B worth of them, would it? Ok then.

You can't imagine there are other reasons for difficulties in replacing a core component of the internet other than "longer numbers are harder to type"?

IPv6 was released in 1995 -- that's 25 years ago. If it didn't suck, don't you think we would have forgotten about IPv4 by now.

Or do you also have many devices around running Windows 95?

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Post by jjcon »

geek_at wrote: post #243
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #182

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but $20k is like, a year's tuition at a University. Did parent also rent a mansion to live in while attending?

Or like a whole degree from bachelor to masters and a 15.000$ car (in Europe)

But then afterwards he would barely make more than a barista
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