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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by SeanLuke »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."

That's the problem. Propaganda is more effective than education. If people were rational actors, you'd have a point. But they are not.

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Post by TravHatesMe »

jacquesm wrote: post #221
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

What a crap comment. Instead, yes, let's be happy that there are at least some entities out there that will not let themselves be willingly used to subvert a democracy.

Partisanship has leaked into this thread.. What if the tables were turned? As a non-American, it disappoints me to read some of these comments. Defending your side at all costs. I wish there was more balanced comments, acknowledging points on each side. The inability to concede to anything makes for ugly discussion. Whatever side you are on, stubbornness and hostility is not a good strategy to convince the other side.

"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence." -Richard Feynman

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by dragonwriter »

SCLeo wrote: post #289
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

This is slippery slope fallacy. I don't think YouTube removing genuially harmful and false content is really comparable to CCP's suppression of opposing views.

Conversely, others could say that the CCPs removing of generally harmful and false content isn't really comparable to YouTube’s suppression of opposing views.

The difference isn't that some third party observer thinks that what YouTube is suppressing is “harmful and false” while what the CCP is suppressing is opposing views that are neither, in that estimation, harmful nor false, but that YouTube isn't the state and people in the geographic region served by YouTube have alternate sources of content that are not subject to YouTube’s editorial decisions, while those in the region “served” by the CCP have all information sources subjected to (at least by policy, if not always completely successful) the same editorial oversight.

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Post by whiddershins »

zug_zug wrote: post #295

Let's talk about the root of the disagreement. There are two "models" of reality, that explain the two viewpoints on this. One, I'd call it the libertarian model , is that people are rational, more information is always good, videos only contain information, and that all information should be available to everybody. The other, let's call it the fascist model , is that people are not rational, people can easily be emo…

I don’t think the libertarian model requires people to be rational, it rather give people the room to develop their rationality ... to be adults exercising choice, which includes sometimes being biased or just wrong.

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Post by Veen »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

> Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people

Do you not see the contradiction inherent in this? Your implied argument is that people are smart enough to see through propaganda, and your example is China, a society shaped by an extremely effective propaganda machine.

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Post by shakezula »

exabrial wrote: post #79

Absolutely nothing about the USA is in danger of falling apart. These conspiracy theories would die by themselves in a month or two. Lets be clear about what's happening here: Google/Facebook and the like are becoming targets of anti-trust regulatory lawsuits (privacy, data-gathering, monopolistic behavior, etc). This is just an attempt to build goodwill with the incoming administration so they can call in a favor la…

This is the result of public pressure, not an attempt to cozy up to an administration. They've been doing this for years, it's not like this is some out of left field attempt to try and get a fruit basket from the Biden admin.

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Post by aerovistae »

PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

This isn't about convincing people there's nothing to see, it's about preventing more people from being onboarded to the idea that there's something to see.

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Post by PeterStuer »

sixothree wrote: post #141
PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Why do you put "the truth" in quotes? Are you honestly questioning the validity of this election?

I put it in quotes because I observed people on both sides of the issue being convinced of "their" truths.

To me, the issue of how to effectively reach a general consensus in these matters is even more important than who is right or wrong. It is my personal opinion that this can only be achieved through transparency and openness, but, as always, I am my own harshest critic, so I entertain that I might be wrong.

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