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Re: The Death of Tony Hsieh: A Spiral of Alcohol, Drugs and Extreme Behavior

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Post by timeeater » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 5:35 PM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #310

timeeater wrote: post #305

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I have posted the official chart of ICU occupation in Germany. How can you argue with that? Covid patients are only a small fraction of the occupied beds. In general it makes sense to use existing ICU beds at capacity (or slightly below), to, you know, make use of them. Surely you could also still adjust by delaying surgical procedures that are not urgent, if things would get worse.

You said it yourself, you want to run ICUs close to capacity, so you can't just add another 10% (or 27% like in Berlin right now) for COVID patients without calling it exceptional load. Procedures are already being delayed to free up extra capacity, and nurses are working overtime. The system is fairly close to collapse and we're lucky that the current measures stopped the growth of new infections, albeit at a very h…

Only 20% of patients are in ICU because of Covid, so it is simply incorrect to claim that because of Covid the system is close to collapse. It is not. And if you call more than 80% use (which we don't even have) "exceptional load", it still isn't the same as "close to collapse". Have you even looked at the charts? If you count the emergency reserve, there is still capacity for 15000 more beds. A "doubling of cases" would put 4000 more people into ICU, so it wouldn't break the system at all. https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen

As for nurses working overtime, do you have any data for that? Quoting some individual hospital managers warning of "possible collapse" is not really evidence. They can also be politically motivated ("see, we really need more money for our ICU section"). You can also find individual hospital managers saying everything is fine.

Re: The Death of Tony Hsieh: A Spiral of Alcohol, Drugs and Extreme Behavior

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Post by nxmnxm99 » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 1:33 AM UTC

imtringued wrote: post #242

adventured wrote: post #206

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> I mean, given the demands of modern society Modern society is the easiest society that has ever existed. And that's true nearly world-wide. People have never been better off or worked fewer hours at the median. In modern - affluent - society, it's that people have become soft, weak, fragile. The times are not harder, they're easier. People in affluent nations have never been more coddled and protected. What demands…

It's only easy if you consider living on welfare or being homeless as acceptable options. >What demands are you talking about? Influencers pressuring people to have whiter smiles on Instagram or better abs on TikTok? Someone getting their feelings hurt on Facebook? Getting a college degree is stressful and many people quit. Choosing the right one is also a challenge in it's own right. If you fail at this you will be…

9/10 people on Earth reading this are cringing because of how privileged it sounds. The complaints you’re describing are for babies.

Re: The Death of Tony Hsieh: A Spiral of Alcohol, Drugs and Extreme Behavior

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Post by xdavidliu » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:00 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #260

solaceb wrote: post #255

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What is your claim? Drinking is normal in your culture —> drinking is not risky in your culture ? This is patently false; drinking carries risks in any context, perhaps even moreso in environments which fail to recognize its potential for harm

My claim is that in culture where drinking is normalized, people dont perceive drinking risky. Consequently, drinking as activity is not all that much biased toward "risk takers". It does not really matter how much risk it "objectively" puts you through. It attracts risk takers only if people consider it risky.

would you say that a significant fraction of people in any culture agree that there are many activities for which drinking and then doing that activity would be considered risky?

Re: The Death of Tony Hsieh: A Spiral of Alcohol, Drugs and Extreme Behavior

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Post by simonebrunozzi » Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 9:05 AM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #131

throwaway2016lv wrote: post #12

I visited Zappos HQ with a university group in 2016. As part of the tour, we visited the executive area, where they all sat in cubicles/rows like anyone else's. They even pointed out Tony's desk, though he wasn't around at the time. I came away from that tour with two distinct impressions: 1 - Zappos had an amazing company culture; everyone seemed to get along and really enjoy their work. 2 - Tony Hsieh had a surpris…

>>Tony Hsieh had a surprisingly large collection of half-empty liquor bottles at his desk. Not just Tony. My best friend used to work at Zappos. He used to brag to me that every employee/team gets their own mini-fridge, which is stocked with booze and liquor. He said that a common "bonding" experience for different teams in the company is to exchange different types of liquor. This was in early 2010s. He said drinkin…

At AWS we had (still have?) Tatonka nights, where you go to a fast-food place (was it the Wingdome in Seattle?) and you race to eat 25 fried chicken wings.