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Arecibo telescope, on the brink of collapse, will be dismantled

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CamperBob2 wrote: post #258
HarryHirsch wrote: post #60

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This is multigenerational national infrastructure. Imagine a volatile nerd like Musk funding Goldstone or CERN. He'll get into a pissing match with someone who knows what he is talking about damn quick (remember the Thai U-boat story) and then refuse to pay further.

He'll get into a pissing match with someone who knows what he is talking about damn quick You're being grossly uncharitable considering what he's already been able to accomplish at SpaceX. The thing about Musk is that when even 5% of his hype comes to fruition, substantial positive change follows. Can you say the same about your employer, or about yourself? Yes, in many respects he behaves like a stereotypical rich e…

> You're being grossly uncharitable considering what he's already been able to accomplish at SpaceX.

What, creating a rocket less powerful than Saturn V? That was over 60 years ago.

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ardy42 wrote: post #191
AniseAbyss wrote: post #178

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Private space travel funded by government contracts.

> Private space travel funded by government contracts. So, just like the 60s. Per Wikipedia: The Apollo Command and Service Module was built by North American Aviation (now part of Boeing) and the Lunar Module by Grumman (now Northrop Grumman) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_(spacecraft) ). The Saturn V was build by Boeing, North American, and Douglas (the latter two now part of Boeing) ( https://en.wikipedia.…

The Saturn V wasn't called The Boeing Falcon, and Von Braun didn't work for Boeing.

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JetSpiegel wrote: post #311
CamperBob2 wrote: post #258

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He'll get into a pissing match with someone who knows what he is talking about damn quick You're being grossly uncharitable considering what he's already been able to accomplish at SpaceX. The thing about Musk is that when even 5% of his hype comes to fruition, substantial positive change follows. Can you say the same about your employer, or about yourself? Yes, in many respects he behaves like a stereotypical rich e…

> You're being grossly uncharitable considering what he's already been able to accomplish at SpaceX. What, creating a rocket less powerful than Saturn V? That was over 60 years ago.

Lots of Saturn Vs landing on boats on your planet?

But yeah, agreed with your larger point, the lack of progress has been nothing short of pathetic. Until recently.

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JetSpiegel wrote: post #310
CamperBob2 wrote: post #251

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The defense budget IS a welfare program.

Corporate welfare. But as Romney says, "corporations are people, my friend".

A couple of SSBNs are all we need to assure national defense. The rest is one big jobs program.

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Johnny555 wrote: post #137
xondono wrote: post #88

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I don’t get the flagging, it’s a very valid question. I’m sure the people at PR would rather see the money invested on infrastructure with higher impact on their citizens life.

If $100M was invested in building a new one, much of that money would stay in the PR economy in hiring local labor.So it's not a win-lose scenario -- winning more funding could be a net win for the locals too.

Never said it had 0 impact, just that there’s likely infrastructure with higher impact
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