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You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by stuaxo »

interestica wrote: post #102
egonschiele wrote: post #77

In the last month I've returned two pieces of Adobe software and canceled a yearly subscription. I've been seeing ads for the AI features in photoshop all over twitter this week. It's pretty clear what their business strategy is -- just keep working on the tech and assume people will buy their software because it's the only one with the hot tech thing. It's ironic that for a company that caters to designers, artists…

Are there any great alternatives to Flash (Animate) that can output SVG animation? I think that's the last piece for me.

Enve looks interesting, it may be one to crowdfund -

https://maurycyliebner.github.io/ https://twitter.com/enve2d

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by daniellarusso »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #279
daniellarusso wrote: post #92

I have been using Pixelmator Pro as a Photoshop substitute on OS X. I have been pretty happy with it, but I would be happy with Photoshop 7. What alternatives exist for ‘After Effects’, though?

Try Davinci Resolve https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/fus...

$299, very reasonable.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by mcv »

ShinTakuya wrote: post #309
mcv wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knowing that they will stop working in a couple of years also devalues them. Seriously, a patch to remove DRM for those who are unable or unwilling to upgrade. A company that can be trusted to deliver that patch will have a more valuable product because customers know they will not lose access to it.

Yeah that's a fair point in the other direction. But I guess to some extent when you have a de-facto monopoly on a market it doesn't matter what you do to your customers, most of them will buy your new subscription model anyway out of necessity.

That's probably why there are suddenly a lot of Photoshop competitors. A monopolist abusing their market creates an incentive for competition. Of course some monopolised markets can be very hard to impossible to enter for competitors, but that's apparently not the case here.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by daniellarusso »

thewebcount wrote: post #106
daniellarusso wrote: post #92

I have been using Pixelmator Pro as a Photoshop substitute on OS X. I have been pretty happy with it, but I would be happy with Photoshop 7. What alternatives exist for ‘After Effects’, though?

Apple's Motion can do most stuff After Effects can do and many tricks it can't. Plus it's really nice not having to do RAM previews or renders. Just playback and it works! Is Autodesk Combustion still around? That was another competitor of theirs back in the day.

Motion is only $49. Nice.

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Post by ChrisLomont »

redis_mlc wrote: post #58
ChrisLomont wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you accept the agreement when installing?

> Did you accept the agreement when installing? That actually doesn't matter if the terms are unreasonable. Courts commonly understand that one-sided unreasonable licenses are unenforceable when litigated.

Are the terms unreasonable? If the terms were a limited license rather than an infinite guarantee to provide activation servers, then it’s not likely legally unreasonable. And it’s not at all uncommon to be the former. I’ve never seen a court rule a license like this to be unreasonable. Have you?

Here’s [1] the CS3 license. It states a 90 day warranty, which is certainly legally a standard warranty. Section 14.8.1 states Adobe can disable the activation server.

So yep, looks like this was covered in the license. I doubt a court is going to rule Adobe must provide a server indefinitely.

[1] https://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/photoshopcs3.html

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Post by azalemeth »

kristopolous wrote: post #155
potency wrote: post #128

> The aging activation servers for those apps had to be retired. Oh come on. Surely a company with the resources of Adobe can figure out a way to keep an activation server running. In fact I'll bet you could find one competent sysadmin to keep it running indefinitely. I hate when companies spew out obvious utter B.S. like this.

CS3 was in 2007. It's not like we're talking about an IBM 709 here. It's probably a Core 2 Duo or a Clovertown Xeon. Give me a break. When producing digital goods you never want to be in a position where honest people who want to pay you money will get a better customer experience by going through thepiratebay.

But that's almost always the case with these companies. The fundamental problem with DRM is that it inconveniences paying customers: pirates get a better product after solving a fun puzzle game, and the rest of us get shafted.

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Post by stuaxo »

jeffbee wrote: post #167
hardwaresofton wrote: post #166

https://www.gimp.org https://krita.org/en If you donate anything near what you would have paid for Adobe, then these projects will be awash in resources.

That's a really interesting assertion. I have a feeling you could throw arbitrary amount of money at GIMP and it will still be almost useless.

They don't have many developers and they have been undertaking work to sort out the fundamental tech, to sort out age-old bugbears.

In the meantime, the team from ZeMarmot have been making concrete changes in features and UI, with a funding level, that I certainly couldn't live off.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if they were funded to the level of just one developers salary.

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Post by whatch »

sushshshsh wrote: post #121
firefoxd wrote: post #100

It's 2020, the ipad is 10 years old. It was a revolutionary product. Some people stood in line for hours to be the first to own it. Well that reminds me, i do own one! Get it out of the closet and ah, the battery is depleted. Who expects it to hold charge after... 8 years? I don't have a cable either. I have lightning though, even usb-c. But nope, it's the old 30 pin charger. Order it online. Still works! Except, I h…

Thats some pretty horrific shit considering I have dot com era machines lying around still running fine

My original PSP is not as impressive. But when I found it a couple of months ago I really enjoyed flOw and NFS: Underground Rivals from 2008 or so.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Silhouette wrote: post #305
CamperBob2 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's outrageous that copyright protection applies to DRM-encumbered material. Simply outrageous. Copyright is supposed to be a bargain with the public domain, and DRM explicitly renounces that bargain. This is a great example to point to... but as usual, nobody cares who has any power to change things, and nobody with any power cares.

As ever, this would be a more compelling argument if the state that granted copyright protections also provided meaningful enforcement. Setting copyright up in a way that often makes it prohibitively expensive to enforce through legal means and then objecting when the rights holders attempt to protect their investments through technological measures feels a little hypocritical.

There should be a choice: either the legal system protects your IP (copyright), or you do (DRM).

You shouldn't get the benefits of both approaches, because they are mutually exclusive. Material that is protected with DRM has effectively been stolen from the future public domain. At the very least, key escrow should be required before copyright protection is granted.

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