One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020 • Hacker News Board

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by bovermyer » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:05 PM UTC

jnsaff2 wrote: post #257

pritambarhate wrote: post #225

As an Indian, I think here some points I think western world needs to know about India. * "Gaming the system" to get your desired outcome is widely accepted in Indian society. Especially if it doesn't involve breaking any laws (not ethics). Even in many cases Gaming the system by breaking the law is considered OK as long as one doesn't get caught doing it. (In fact this might be the only way to come up in politics in…

I live in a post-soviet country and the ~50 years of soviet planned-economy, arbitrary laws and constant shortages combined with an illegitimate regime (as any foreign power that is ruling by force on your turf is by definition) meant that people got a pretty deep ingrained attitude of "gaming the system" even tho there's almost 30 years of self rule. It is slowly fading away and being replaced by the capitalist "gro…

Estonia?

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:08 PM UTC

pritambarhate wrote: post #225

As an Indian, I think here some points I think western world needs to know about India. * "Gaming the system" to get your desired outcome is widely accepted in Indian society. Especially if it doesn't involve breaking any laws (not ethics). Even in many cases Gaming the system by breaking the law is considered OK as long as one doesn't get caught doing it. (In fact this might be the only way to come up in politics in…

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by QuesnayJr » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:08 PM UTC

avighnay wrote: post #270

pritambarhate wrote: post #225

As an Indian, I think here some points I think western world needs to know about India. * "Gaming the system" to get your desired outcome is widely accepted in Indian society. Especially if it doesn't involve breaking any laws (not ethics). Even in many cases Gaming the system by breaking the law is considered OK as long as one doesn't get caught doing it. (In fact this might be the only way to come up in politics in…

One more very Indian thing perhaps also is we like to gladly flog ourselves and jump at the chance of discrediting our people. We will start with "As an Indian" but end with "They" instead of "We"

I trust people who talk negatively about their own culture more than I trust people who talk positively. Every culture has lots of dumb stuff, and people who are willing to talk negatively about it strike me as more open-minded.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by QuesnayJr » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:09 PM UTC

throw0101a wrote: post #295

avereveard wrote: post #285

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well check out italy, you can substitute italian with indians and keep the entire paragraph almost word for word. I suspect it's a common theme of countries that managed to keep an identity while under a long foreign domination. when the state is the enemy for generations, the ethics and norm about law and legality become a lot more flexible.

Would this apply more to southern Italy more than north? > Henrich anticipates a quibble about what he calls “the Italian enigma”: Why, if Italy has been Catholic for so long, did northern Italy become a prosperous banking center, while southern Italy stayed poor and was plagued by mafiosi? The answer, Henrich declares, is that southern Italy was never conquered by the Church-backed Carolingian empire. Sicily remaine…

The criticalness is a general Italian phenomenon. The one thing that unites Italians, north and south, is the perception that Italy is stupid and corrupt.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by plibither8 » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:11 PM UTC

aniforprez wrote: post #301

avighnay wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One more very Indian thing perhaps also is we like to gladly flog ourselves and jump at the chance of discrediting our people. We will start with "As an Indian" but end with "They" instead of "We"

I'm frankly kind of sick of the constant denigration and apologies being written slavishly to foreigners on behalf of all Indians by Indians. As an Indian, I accept there's a lot of cultural problems and crap in the country but to the degree that people will prostrate before the Western elite reminds me of our colonial days. Like, literally everything in that paragraph could be written about literally any part of the…

Couldn't have said this better myself.

"For many Indians, self-flagellation is a sign of their intellectual arrival". This was a line I read long ago and it desribes the situation so well.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by watwut » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:12 PM UTC

k_sze wrote: post #291

unmole wrote: post #264

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> his "crack it" is basically about "Gaming it" and succeed at it any how. While I don't disagree with the rest of your comment, this is not accurate. Unacademy focuses on test prep and thier anthem while sappy and gung ho, doesn't really have any references to gaming the system. Crack it is in the same vein as Cracking the Coding Interview,

Which is gaming the system, if you ask me. Cracking coding interviews would be considered “overfitting” in statistical learning parlance. You may ace the interview, but for most people the performance at coding interviews has no correlation with performance in actual work.

Learning for test is gaming the system? Seriously?

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by quirmian » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:13 PM UTC

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #273

jokethrowaway wrote: post #242

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I wouldn't say it's an Indian only phenomenon, plenty of that everywhere

But to that intensity, ingrained-ness? That's not how it is in the UK[0] - to anywhere near that degree I mean. edit: the UK is the only culture I'm really familiar with

I would compare population numbers and percentages. India has 1B people. Uk is less than 10% of that.

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Post by tremon » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:14 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #226

mcv wrote: post #216

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As far as I can tell his video only did damage: it taught people to spam open source projects, created a lot of bad blood, probably made open source maintainers more suspicious of new contributors, and gave a large number of potential contributors a bad experience. It could have been so much better if he'd actually put in the effort to create a real, meaningful pull request. Show how to clone the project, run it, fix…

I entirely understand why this change was picked and will maintain it was a bad choice. However, I don’t think I can fault them for doing that when the alternative would take significantly more time and effort and detract from the point they were trying to make, which is the steps necessary to make a pull request and not the expected content of one. Given the results, however, I would very much appreciate it if the a…

I don’t think I can fault them for doing that when the alternative would take significantly more time and effort

Isn't that basically the definition of spam: "but making something useful would take significantly more time and effort"?

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by rk06 » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:19 PM UTC

fergie wrote: post #25

I have a couple of vaguely popular repos on github (~100,000 downloads a month) Generally speaking, (T-shirt farming aside), if you find a genuine typo, or small way to improve documentation, then that PR will be very much appreciated. README-typos are quite visible, yet easy for maintainers to overlook. If you are new to GitHub, please do not be discouraged, and as with editing Wikipedia- be bold. (In the large sche…

I have literally gotten 4 PRs in previous hacktoberfests with typo fix.

I am internally debating if I should participate in this hacktoberfests given the spams going on

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Post by falcor84 » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 12:24 PM UTC

> A whole new Twitter account @shitoberfest was created to track this

Not looking to discount the severity of the problem in terms of productive time lost, but the use of the word "whole" there wins my overstatement of the year award.