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Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by catmanjan »

sixdimensional wrote: post #263

Just to be fair, Microsoft also recently re-launched a tuned-up version of Sharepoint Lists, now just called "Lists" [1] which is in the same space. It took something like AirTable to wake the sleeping giants, that people wanted a low-code tabular data editor and storage engine, that wasn't really a spreadsheet. You know.. like FileMaker or MS Access. I guess this goes to show something - I have thought for many, man…

>I think we are crawling towards a future of low/no-code

Friendly reminder that low/no-code is just newspeak for "COTS"

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by carliny »

jbm wrote: post #280
mellosouls wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, annoying. possibly gdpr related?

I considered that but I'm in Canada. There is someone in every organization asking to minimize potential legal liability. It's a bit sad that the Chicken Littles have won again.

Hey jbm, Tables PM here, your comment definitely resonated with me.

Fun fact: I'm Canadian! :P On your point though: as my own opinion, there's some very smart people here trying to make sure we're doing things in a safe way that protects both our users and our team, and so sometimes we're asked to start small. As a result, we're doing what we can to offer something useful for people and businesses during these covid times, while still respecting the boundaries that we've been given. I, like most PMs, hate red tape, but I also appreciate it for the dangers it protects us from. :)

All that said, we're definitely hoping we can offer Tables to more people in the world, so stay tuned!

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Post by AlphaSite »

edoceo wrote: post #299
jiofih wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has discontinued a total of 205 products so far. I think their survival rate is pretty close to the startup average.

There have been well more than 205 failed startups in the last 10 years and so many more since G started. Google kill count is high but startup failure is much much higher

I, not sure if absolute numbers are worth looking at. What are the %s.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by mrkstu »

edoceo wrote: post #299
jiofih wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has discontinued a total of 205 products so far. I think their survival rate is pretty close to the startup average.

There have been well more than 205 failed startups in the last 10 years and so many more since G started. Google kill count is high but startup failure is much much higher

The difference is that originally there was a higher likelihood of trying out a Google product than a random startup's. Now that equation is flipped- I'd rather try a random startup's product than a Google one- at least the startup is going to live and die on making that product a success.

Google? It has to be a massive world spanning success or its a guaranteed goner.

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Post by notional »

edoceo wrote: post #299
jiofih wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has discontinued a total of 205 products so far. I think their survival rate is pretty close to the startup average.

There have been well more than 205 failed startups in the last 10 years and so many more since G started. Google kill count is high but startup failure is much much higher

Startups don't usually have the backing of unlimited funds and warm bodies so it isn't really a fair comparison to make.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by crazygringo »

mrkstu wrote: post #314
edoceo wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been well more than 205 failed startups in the last 10 years and so many more since G started. Google kill count is high but startup failure is much much higher

The difference is that originally there was a higher likelihood of trying out a Google product than a random startup's. Now that equation is flipped- I'd rather try a random startup's product than a Google one- at least the startup is going to live and die on making that product a success. Google? It has to be a massive world spanning success or its a guaranteed goner.

> at least the startup is going to live and die on making that product a success.

I'm going to respectfully disagree.

Whether a product is being funded by Google or a VC, I'd argue they have a similar desire to make money, or else cut funding.

If a product looks like a failure, the startup isn't going to keep it going or try harder -- the VC's will want to cut their losses.

I honestly don't think there's much of a difference at all. It's the same types of executive tech people making the decisions at the end of the day no matter if it's at a VC or a Megacorp.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by jeremyjh »

catmanjan wrote: post #311
sixdimensional wrote: post #263

Just to be fair, Microsoft also recently re-launched a tuned-up version of Sharepoint Lists, now just called "Lists" [1] which is in the same space. It took something like AirTable to wake the sleeping giants, that people wanted a low-code tabular data editor and storage engine, that wasn't really a spreadsheet. You know.. like FileMaker or MS Access. I guess this goes to show something - I have thought for many, man…

>I think we are crawling towards a future of low/no-code Friendly reminder that low/no-code is just newspeak for "COTS"

Other than the major ERP/CRMs there was very little COTS that was as extensible and programmable as these low-code solutions. I think low-code term may have some mileage as its easier to say than "extensible like an ERP, but without the ERP".

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by yowlingcat »

haltingproblem wrote: post #215

So much Google Hubris here. A day late and a dollar short with a heavy ladling of google self-importance. Why do I care it is from Area 120? Why even share that branding - it just adds to the confusion. Is this an internal startup? Will it disappear? Stick around? I already pay for Gsuite, now I should pay for this? Does it work in my gsuite org? Why would I not just go with Airtable at that pricing. How long will it…

You're not wrong. I can't think of a better exposition of what makes people nervous about GCP just from a reputation perspective.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by jbm »

carliny wrote: post #312
jbm wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I considered that but I'm in Canada. There is someone in every organization asking to minimize potential legal liability. It's a bit sad that the Chicken Littles have won again.

Hey jbm, Tables PM here, your comment definitely resonated with me. Fun fact: I'm Canadian! :P On your point though: as my own opinion, there's some very smart people here trying to make sure we're doing things in a safe way that protects both our users and our team, and so sometimes we're asked to start small. As a result, we're doing what we can to offer something useful for people and businesses during these covid…

I would be very interested to hear more about why, specifically, Canadians (like you and me) are seen as potentially unsafe users.

(Regardless of that, congratulations on your launch and good luck!)

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