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Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by UnpossibleJim »

dionian wrote: post #201
foepys wrote: post #191

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True, but I can still run my program that I compiled back in 1999.

you also have largely the same OS and hardware architecture that you did in 1999

No offense, but I can still "roll my own" desktop with Linux and Windows, replacing components out as needed. I understand that this sounds like some technical hurdle to many, but it also feels like a cause to the rising hardware illiteracy of the average citizen.

I might be conflating causation and correlation, admittedly. I've always enjoyed the hardware aspect of computers, so it's hard to look at this sort of thing completely objectively.

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Post by the_lucifer »

arendtio wrote: post #256
nlitened wrote: post #92

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Why wouldn't you use Android then? I would personally like to continue paying higher prices to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages with push notifications, please.

This answer is wrong on so many levels... I don't know why Apple is allowed to keep other browser engines out of their system, but probably just because the relevant people just don't understand that the Chrome/FF/etc. on iOS are just a Safari with a different UI and that it gives Apple about half (depending on country; in the US probably more) of the mobile browser share and users just the chance to either use Andro…

Playing the devils advocate here. This browser restriction is what I'd wager is keeping the non-chromium browser market at a substantial proportion.

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

trey-jones wrote: post #195
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #62

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All in the name of UI cleanliness and simplicity . Like how there's no way to manually trigger the firmware update for the AirPods. You just have to keep them plugged in next to your iPhone and ... wait ... until some magic pixie in Apple's cloud decides it's time to push the update to you. Steve Jobs used to say it over and over again when criticized by angry developers[1] that their main focus will always be users…

I watched the whole video of Jobs, and I enjoyed it and took something away from it. I also don't think that it applies to this conversation. From Jobs's perspective here, App Store developers are also customers. So while he is talking about starting at the customers' perspective, rather than the engineers, I believe he's only talking about Apple engineers. 3rd party software devs that are building the Apple ecosyste…

Apple does deliver value - a huge market of higher paying buyers than Android.

That's their value. Not that their software releases will always be perfect.

None of you will stop making iOS apps over this.

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Post by dhagz »

RandallBrown wrote: post #206
pojntfx wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is why we need the Web. But Apple even blocks that since they don’t allow any browser engine apart from Safari, meaning that there is no - Add to homescreen dialog - Background sync - Proper push notifications - Proper WASM support (a lot of features are missing) Honestly, at this point, the government should step in, like they did at the end of the last century with Microsoft. Walled gardens hurt inno…

You can definitely add websites to your home screen on iOS.

I think they're referring to PWA-style "Add to Homescreen", which I agree is a weak point of iOS/MobileSafari. I also wonder why there isn't good/any support for WASM in Safari.

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Post by oarsinsync »

DenseComet wrote: post #238
saagarjha wrote: post #124

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Probably. Unless they’re something that clearly explains why this update just had to go out tomorrow, like new iPhones shipping or something, the people who signed off on this should be writing a report tomorrow about how badly they’ve damaged developer relations and created a huge amount of work internally for the app review team and probably the engineering as well. The fact that the main part of the even from toda…

It's likely because of the Apple Watch Series 6, which will almost certainly release with WatchOS 7, which is in-turn only compatible with iOS 14. The Series 6 launches Friday, so if they wanted to delay iOS 14, they'd have to delay that launch too.

> The Series 6 launches Friday, so if they wanted to delay iOS 14, they'd have to delay that launch too.

Or they could have just launched both on Friday.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #304
matheusmoreira wrote: post #236

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Modern Linux kernels can also run binaries compiled in the 90s. Apple just doesn't care.

Sure, if they're statically compiled with no non-kernel dependencies whatsoever. Once Linux userspace gets involved it is a shitshow.

Right. Most Linux user space software actually subscribes to the Apple philosophy of breaking everything in the name of progress. From what I've read, even GNU rejects binary compatibility concerns because to do otherwise would help proprietary software, sometimes resulting in breakages in vital stuff like glibc.

> statically compiled with no non-kernel dependencies whatsoever

I'd love that. Would be great if we could even get rid of the C library. Compilers should emit Linux system call code directly.

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Post by oarsinsync »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #216
gfxgirl wrote: post #197

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But that's exactly what Apple wants. They want you to invest your time in their ecosystem because that prevents you from spending time in other ecosystems. Every thing they do that makes it more work for you to make an iOS or MacOS app is time you won't be spending making things for other platforms including the web. plus, they get the added bonus that they can demand you pay 30% of various transitions that they coul…

I am 100% convinced that mobile Safari is worse for the future of the web than IE6 ever was. And it’s 100% intentional.

Can you elaborate on what you foresee happening, and why?

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Post by pietrovismara »

scarface74 wrote: post #224
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #218

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Breaking up your question into two pieces: > How many apps [could] be viable as a website if only iOS Safari had push notifications[?] I’d say a lot. > [How many of them] would actually bring in any significant amount of revenue? Adding this caveat doesn’t change my answer—but I really don’t like what it's implying. Software is not suddenly without value just because it doesn’t make money.

> I’d say a lot Yet you didn’t name any. If that were the case, you should be able to name the equivalent web apps on Android that must be apps on iOS. > Software is not suddenly without value just because it doesn’t make money. So where are those “valuable” web apps on Android? Also revenue is the most objective way to measure value.

> Also revenue is the most objective way to measure value.

Nonsense. Wikipedia must be worthless for you? What about air? Do you feel you'd breathe with more satisfaction if someone was profiting from the air you breathe?

On the other hand, there's plenty of immensely profitable things that have negative value. Cigarettes? Oil? Weapons? Opioids? I could go on and on.

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Post by g42gregory »

I feel that, as industry, we need to move back to the rich, browser-based applications on the mobile phones. Apple-Google duopoly is just not the way to live. As tech community, we can take our power back. I think the good start is to start using web on mobile phones.
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