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Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by ReverseCold »

doktorhladnjak wrote: post #135
x87678r wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> outside of your country ... most people do not have a Mac, I think you mean outside of the Bay Area. For PCs/Desktop Apple has like 12% market share in the US. 7% globally.

People in this bubble overestimate the popularity of anything Apple. I once had a discussion with a coworker at a major company known for its app, where I was complaining about an Android bug and he genuinely asked "does anybody even use Android?" And I responded, "only the majority of users in every country around the world including the US. It's even 50/50 on our app!" Afterward, I found the internal numbers for em…

iOS has the majority market share in the US (~60% nationwide).

You’re completely right that this doesn’t hold true for other countries, and that ignoring Android is not the play, though.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by saagarjha »

olyjohn wrote: post #309
saagarjha wrote: post #296

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iOS devices were not nearly performant enough to allow that until recently ;)

Not sure if you're being serious or not... I mean I thought these iPhones were faster than PCs. I've been able to scroll since I had my first 486.

I'm being serious. The first iPhones were years behind comparable desktop hardware of the time. It's only recently that iPhones have caught up and surpassed them.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by wyuenho »

This problem is so endemic for so many years now, I wonder why the browser devtools have options to turn off caching but not option to turn on the scroll bar during dev mode.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by laksdjfkasljdf »

scaryclam wrote: post #105
supernova87a wrote: post #18

I have to pile onto the criticism of the hidden scroll bars, and other similar features (like the hidden buttons of PDF viewers now, such as in Chrome). Discoverability is a problem. For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features, these things can be utterly mind-boggling and frustrating. Even I was stumped for a good minute the first time trying to print/save/download a PDF when…

Here's a link for something I use on such news and blog sites: https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/ I works a surprising amount of the time!

So, in the end, we wish gopher would have won the hypertext formats war(just made that up)?

I can't live without firefox's reader mode, which is pretty much Gopher-for-html.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by noodlenotes »

reaperducer wrote: post #163
supernova87a wrote: post #18

I have to pile onto the criticism of the hidden scroll bars, and other similar features (like the hidden buttons of PDF viewers now, such as in Chrome). Discoverability is a problem. For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features, these things can be utterly mind-boggling and frustrating. Even I was stumped for a good minute the first time trying to print/save/download a PDF when…

For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features You don't even have to be elderly. The 20-somethings in the office (pre-pandemic) had no idea that on an inconsistent smattering of Apple apps, if you pull down, a hidden search bar magically appears. How did that conversation go? Dev: Where do you want the search bar to go? Designer: Put it somewhere that no one will ever see it, or…

Being tech savvy can be a burden when it comes to discovering new features because you're afraid of making a "stupid" mistake. Accidentally posting to Facebook is something the tech illiterate do, not us, so why would we click a random icon when we're not sure if it will do something embarrassing?

I know my willingness to explore UIs went down a lot when

1) All the buttons became icons instead of text that clearly explained what was going to happen and

2) My phone became the place where all of my social media accounts were always logged in and all my internet activity was centralized. It became easy to accidentally share between different worlds.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by laksdjfkasljdf »

x87678r wrote: post #98
jakub_g wrote: post #71

If you read between the lines, you should understand that the root cause of issue is the macOS developer monoculture. All you need is one Windows or Linux-based developer in your team to catch those kind of issues. But so many dev teams are macOS-only those days, whereas, apart from US and 2-3 other rich countries, 80%+ or even more of actual desktop users are Windows-based. (There are many other problems with macOS…

> outside of your country ... most people do not have a Mac, I think you mean outside of the Bay Area. For PCs/Desktop Apple has like 12% market share in the US. 7% globally.

This is a single aspect of something i call the bay-area-bubble.

other aspects include to assume everyone have free wifi everywhere or unlimited latest-G data on their phone, last model Macs and phones, disposable income for 57 $9.99 monthly subscriptions, and live on food delivery.

Soon to include: everyone have a room fully set up for VR, with the latest headset du jour.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by DrJaws »

jakub_g wrote: post #71

If you read between the lines, you should understand that the root cause of issue is the macOS developer monoculture. All you need is one Windows or Linux-based developer in your team to catch those kind of issues. But so many dev teams are macOS-only those days, whereas, apart from US and 2-3 other rich countries, 80%+ or even more of actual desktop users are Windows-based. (There are many other problems with macOS…

the date format and the 12 hour clock drives me nuts

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by tiborsaas »

Steltek wrote: post #228
tiborsaas wrote: post #192

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Our company offered me a choice between a Mac and a PC, but also said that the former is heavily recommended so I picked that option. I didn't want to be the guy who constantly cries for help because stuff is just not designed and never tested on windows.

Don't forget the constant peer pressure and lame jokes from your coworkers! Oh and if you're a Mac newbie, be prepared to figure it out for yourself. Not that people are unhelpful but that they genuinely don't know any other workflows beyond their cloistered little OS with a barely-usable kernel.

It's hard enough already to not get ridiculed for using JS on the backend from the Java devs :)

Took me a week or so to get used to Mac. I can't care less about what OS I'm using, they all excel and suck in different ways.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by pb7 »

arrayjumper wrote: post #275
hellofunk wrote: post #181

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To suggest that “bug wise“ it is the same between Mac and Linux is a bit of a stretch. I work in a team where the developers are mostly split between Mac and Ubuntu. Guess which ones often have problems joining zoom meetings or attaching their machines to a projector for a presentation? There are a lot of things that you generally don’t have to worry about much if you’re using a Mac. I’m not gonna say that one of the…

> Guess which ones often have problems joining zoom meetings As a linux user, I'd like to say that I've seen that happen just as often with OSX users on my team. I think that's just Zoom's shitty app. But I do agree about peripheral hardware issues plaguing Linux. Bluetooth headphones are still such a hassle on Ubuntu 20.04.

I think it's crazy to seriously consider using an OS where something as basic as Bluetooth is a hassle.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by marssaxman »

baggy_trough wrote: post #187
reaperducer wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features You don't even have to be elderly. The 20-somethings in the office (pre-pandemic) had no idea that on an inconsistent smattering of Apple apps, if you pull down, a hidden search bar magically appears. How did that conversation go? Dev: Where do you want the search bar to go? Designer: Put it somewhere that no one will ever see it, or…

Even worse than undiscoverable features are land mine features, where some subtle gesture triggers a wild and unwanted mode change. Extra credit if the mode change is hard to get out of.

Oh god. My phone has one of those - there's some sort of swipe gesture which puts it into a split-screen mode, which I have only ever invoked accidentally, and I have no idea how to get rid of it - none of my various guesses at possible anti-swipe actions have worked. When I pull my phone out of my pocket to discover that it has gotten into this state, I just reboot.
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