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Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by lowiqengineer »

typest wrote: post #306
lowiqengineer wrote: post #299

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> These companies you aspire to do behavioral interviews, and I’m guessing you’re failing them. Don't know why people say this. I'm usually pretty good at behavioral interviews. The problem is the algorithmic interviews (again, this is where my IQ fixation comes from). IDK man, compared to most everyone else I seem to have failed life at this point given that I have zero accomplishments and little financial security.

Serious question: How do you know you're good at behavioral interviews? Have you ever seen the feedback written on a behavioral interview? The companies you're describing don't usually give out feedback to applicants, so you can't know, right? It sounds to me like you have anxiety. I'm saying this because I have anxiety , so I know what it's like. One hallmark of anxiety disorders is that you think things are true ab…

I've always passed interviews that focused on behavioral aspects, I've frequently struggled in algorithm focused loops (bombed 2/4 in my Google onsite because, again, I'm intellectually inferior). Besides, until recently G didn't include any behavioral loops.

> "compared to a very small subset of people I have failed"

Compared to nearly everyone at elite universities I have absolutely failed. I'm sure some of them will become the Jeff Bezos of 2050 as well - it's irrelevant that it's still a small number. I don't want to be compared against somebody that works at Cisco or IBM for instance for the work and mental anguish I've put in.

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by lowiqengineer »

scarface74 wrote: post #224
benhurmarcel wrote: post #145

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> Fun fact for you - if I get promoted this year at Amazon to L5, I'll _still_ make less than a new grad at Google. Yet you still make more than what the vast majority of engineers in western Europe will ever make in their whole career. And that's still only looking at the most developed countries. The job market isn't fair. No use getting burnt over that.

He makes far more than The vast majority of developers in the US.

I know several people making $350k at companies like Lyft two years out of undergrad.

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Post by lowiqengineer »

scarface74 wrote: post #307
lowiqengineer wrote: post #295

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You're $100k off - I make $150k a year. I'd be more satisfied with a quarter million a year to be clear.

Something doesn’t add up. When you say you’re working on the “core tech” are you a developer located in the US working at AWS? Is that your total comp or just your base are you not including RSUs/signing bonus? I’m not even here to shame $150K. That’s what I was making as CRUD developer pre-Covid at 45 years old (long story) and I also graduated from a no name state school - in the 90s. $150k still means you’re makin…

It's total compensation including everything. My base is only around $109k or so. I'm not in California or NYC and I joined out of college so base isn't as good as industry hires.

I fully understand shaming $150k, new grads at Google make $180-$210k.

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Post by lowiqengineer »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #239
lowiqengineer wrote: post #17

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Trips to Europe or to random conferences in first class? Trips to _any office_ for "face time"? Massages? Bonuses of any sort, including peer bonuses and holiday gifts? Refreshers? Society thinking that you're "smart" for passing the loop? You're rewarded just for being alive at Google, but I get nothing but scorn and condescension. Fun fact for you - if I get promoted this year at Amazon to L5, I'll _still_ make les…

Give me a break. Lots of teams in Google have restrictive travel policies and never see the pointy end of a plane. Massages cost money. Holiday gifts ceased to exist years ago. I'm also quite surprised by your wage comment: a common aphorism is that Amazon cheaps out on everything except real estate and compensation.

> Lots of teams in Google have restrictive travel policies and never see the pointy end of a plane.

Which ones do and don't? Because all of the ones I've heard of have pretty loose ones compared to my organization.

And yes, Amazon doesn't cheap out on real estate because we own so much of it. It's honestly remarkable how it's done. But I was under the impression everyone knows they pay less.

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Post by zelly »

Jabbles wrote: post #116
sitkack wrote: post #66

> Let’s say hypothetically that Apple was dumb enough to pull a Guido van Rossum, and declare that Swift 6.0 is backwards-incompatible with Swift 5.0, much in the way that Python 3 is incompatible with Python 2. Damn, I was waiting for this. The whole essay was a setup for this paragraph. Reframes the argument using a shared traumatic experience for everyone. This humanizes the effect, we all know someone that lost s…

Apple already ~mandated moving apps to Swift. I don't see why they couldn't do it again? Purely because of the existence of Flutter?

I don't they'd ever deprecate Objective-C when so much of their internal software and the biggest apps are still 100% Objective-C. Objective-C support is a good counter-example to Apple supposedly deprecating things.

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Post by scarface74 »

lowiqengineer wrote: post #312
scarface74 wrote: post #224

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He makes far more than The vast majority of developers in the US.

I know several people making $350k at companies like Lyft two years out of undergrad.

That doesn’t negate my point that you still make more than most developers in the US outside of the HN SV bubble writing CRUD apps or bespoke internal apps that will never see the light of day outside of the company. Go to salary.com and pick any major city not on the west coast.

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Post by yongjik »

Illniyar wrote: post #150

> I’m not actively developing on AWS, so I don’t have as much of a sense for how often they sunset APIs that they have previously dangled alluringly before unwitting developers. SimpleDB still works, it's not even deprecated or grandfathered to not accept new users. There is really nothing else you need to know about how AWS treats deprecation than that single example. Deprecation is practically unheard of in AWS. If…

One more example: on Dec 2019, AWS Cloudfront finally decided to drop support for Flash [1]. Yes, Flash. And anyone still using Flash still has until Dec 31, 2020 to migrate.

[1] https://forums.aws.amazon.com/ann.jspa?annID=7356

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lowiqengineer wrote: post #17
mdrabla wrote: post #12

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It is not endemic. I think you've met a few people you didn't like, read some tweets, and extrapolated poorly. And I don't think people working on GCP are really treated that much better than their counterparts at AWS. The fact that you think the difference in product depreciation policy between them is caused by people getting "everything they could dream of" is funny though

Trips to Europe or to random conferences in first class? Trips to _any office_ for "face time"? Massages? Bonuses of any sort, including peer bonuses and holiday gifts? Refreshers? Society thinking that you're "smart" for passing the loop? You're rewarded just for being alive at Google, but I get nothing but scorn and condescension. Fun fact for you - if I get promoted this year at Amazon to L5, I'll _still_ make les…

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Post by albacur »

lowiqengineer wrote: post #299
typest wrote: post #164

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^^ what this guy said. You named yourself lowiqengineer because your SAT score was “only” 2200. That’s in the 98th percentile —- if it were an IQ test, it would get you into Mensa, the organization for high IQ people! You talk as if people from FANG (your invented acronym to exclude Amazon) look down on all others, but it seems that you are the one looking down on all others, everyone who wasn’t lucky enough to get i…

> These companies you aspire to do behavioral interviews, and I’m guessing you’re failing them. Don't know why people say this. I'm usually pretty good at behavioral interviews. The problem is the algorithmic interviews (again, this is where my IQ fixation comes from). IDK man, compared to most everyone else I seem to have failed life at this point given that I have zero accomplishments and little financial security.

> compared to most everyone else I seem to have failed life

Please realize how offensive and insulting this is.

You were hired by one of the most successful tech companies, which most people could never aspire to. You claim that Amazon pays you 80% of what (you assume) Facebook or Google would pay you, which puts you financially ahead of the vast majority of people. By calling yourself a failure, you’re calling nearly everyone on Earth an even bigger failure, which is offensive and makes you look extremely entitled and detached from reality.

> Don’t know why people say this.

It’s because you come off in your posts as entitled, obsessive, elitist, insensitive, and bitter. These are the only sideS of yourself that you convey here, so that’s why people assume you’re failing your behavioral interviews.

Sorry again if I’m being harsh, but you’ve been posting the same stuff here for months, and every discussion gets derailed by people consoling you or advising you, which you invariably reject. Let’s stop going in circles.

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