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App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by ljm »

emerongi wrote: post #228

The most popular apps on one of the most popular operating systems just plainly don't even open. What has this industry become? How are we so goddamn inept at writing software? This is an industry where we can automate testing - not many other industries have this capability - and we still don't have a simple test regime of "check if the app opens" for any of those apps. Somehow, at the most valuable software compani…

The fact that so many popular apps have to pull in a full-blown SDK from Facebook to get support for even a subset of its functionality is insane to me, too. That 'log in with Facebook' button on your app comes with an entire suite of stuff that Facebook can use to slurp up any data it wants.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by tpmx »

yreg wrote: post #237
emerongi wrote: post #228

The most popular apps on one of the most popular operating systems just plainly don't even open. What has this industry become? How are we so goddamn inept at writing software? This is an industry where we can automate testing - not many other industries have this capability - and we still don't have a simple test regime of "check if the app opens" for any of those apps. Somehow, at the most valuable software compani…

The apps are broken serverside by Facebook. No amount of testing (automated or not) on the side of the app developers would have prevented this. Facebook's own apps did not break since they are on the latest version of FBSDK. What Facebook needs to do is to test whether their changes don't break other people's apps.

Maybe don't include the Facebook SDK (Facebook Spyware Development Kit) in your tier-1 app?

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by notJim »

emerongi wrote: post #228

The most popular apps on one of the most popular operating systems just plainly don't even open. What has this industry become? How are we so goddamn inept at writing software? This is an industry where we can automate testing - not many other industries have this capability - and we still don't have a simple test regime of "check if the app opens" for any of those apps. Somehow, at the most valuable software compani…

These histrionics are ridiculous. There has never been an era in software engineering where people didn't write bugs. There has never been an era where people didn't miss bugs. You can scream and moan at the top of your lungs all you want, but shaming and calling people incompetent does not contribute anything.

> I will have to go and get a degree

Was not aware that having a degree made you immune to writing bugs.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by valuearb »

radisb wrote: post #183

Not to sound as old or anachronistic but I kind of watch this stuff happening and wonder when all those useless bubbly conveniences are going to burst. Never had any account on facebook, twitter, instagram, viber, whatsapp etc. Last similar stuff i used was IRC and ICQ. Some Messenger and skype but i abandoned those long ago. Now I only use discord when I am gaming or wanna talk to a friend and I am sitting in my des…

If you are Spotify, it provided a seamless experience for millions of people to sign up for their service. Now they have a lockin problem, and need to figure out how to migrate those accounts to another authentication service.

And for Communication, you never use Slack? It's useful to segment your communications by type, I don't want to give random Tinder ladies my home phone number.

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Post by damnyou »

blantonl wrote: post #277
emerongi wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe lessons will be learned, maybe not. The industry seems to have very low standards. Let's let these mistakes happen over and over and let's just patch them as we go. No long-term thinking. Someone should collect all these horrible incidents and start a university course on just plainly what NOT to do.

Some of the very brightest software engineers in the world work at Facebook. As much as I would love to rip on Facebook, I also understand that integrated software development is hard, and I guarantee you that Facebook is "doing it better" than most. Don't sit in an ivory tower and throw stones in glass houses. Can you guarantee that your own SDLC house is in order? Because it might be, right up until a sneaky edge c…

The brightness at places like FB tends to be diverted towards making money, not ensuring software quality. (This is also true at places like Apple, just differently so.)

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by vsareto »

mschuster91 wrote: post #300
vsareto wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Mock dependency 2. Throw exceptions Don't tell me "No amount of testing" just because you aren't responsible for your own dependencies.

You can't mock it, that is the entire point. Simply loading the shared library of the SDK will execute the broken code.

So an app (which you control), is told to load a shared library, and there's no way to handle that? Even by delaying the loading to only when it'll be used?

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by jasonv »

emerongi wrote: post #228

The most popular apps on one of the most popular operating systems just plainly don't even open. What has this industry become? How are we so goddamn inept at writing software? This is an industry where we can automate testing - not many other industries have this capability - and we still don't have a simple test regime of "check if the app opens" for any of those apps. Somehow, at the most valuable software compani…

This is the second time.

Recently tested an enterprise marketing app with an SDK ... and we tested if the endpoint wasn't available. Nothing happened -- it worked just fine. Failed quietly and gracefully -- the user would never notice.

"We" know how to do this.

Facebook hasn't done anything to fix this problem since it happened a few weeks ago.

But it's Facebook -- I hope they keep it up. Can't wait for them to AOL themselves.

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Post by artificial »

thrwaway69 wrote: post #234
JeremyNT wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't had an account on Facebook or the like for years, and I started using Signal when it came out. I've been evangelizing it, and I never used Messenger or Whatsapp or any of those services. The uptake? Like ~30% of the people I'd like to contact bother with it. The rest, it's even worse - we get stuck with SMS. And a lot of conversations I just miss, period, because they're groups of people in one of those oth…

We need to turn to propaganda. If you support tracking and insecure communication, think of your children who will get burnt by insurance companies having access to their data. Thousands of [company] employees will look at your nudes if you share it on there. They might look at your kid's photos that you don't want them to. The republicans and democrats (depending who they support, switch) will look at your kid's pic…

Always a good sign when guilt is used to coax someone into using a product. "Don't you want the best for your family?"

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Post by jayd16 »

yreg wrote: post #237
emerongi wrote: post #228

The most popular apps on one of the most popular operating systems just plainly don't even open. What has this industry become? How are we so goddamn inept at writing software? This is an industry where we can automate testing - not many other industries have this capability - and we still don't have a simple test regime of "check if the app opens" for any of those apps. Somehow, at the most valuable software compani…

The apps are broken serverside by Facebook. No amount of testing (automated or not) on the side of the app developers would have prevented this. Facebook's own apps did not break since they are on the latest version of FBSDK. What Facebook needs to do is to test whether their changes don't break other people's apps.

Sounds like you have it backwards. They use other people's apps to test whether their changes break Facebook.
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