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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by tehjoker »

dashundchen wrote: post #240
tehjoker wrote: post #211

Let's not forget that the Obama administration refused to prosecute Assange because they couldn't find a way to do it that wouldn't criminalize ordinary journalism (talking to sources, encouraging them to give you more info, telling them how to stay safe). The current administration is perusing this case precisely because they would like the power to criminalize investigative journalism, the only kind that's actually…

Also remember Julian Assange promised to turn himself in if Chelsea Manning was granted clemency. Obama commuted Manning's sentence towards the end of his second term and Assange immediately backtracked. https://thenextweb.com/world/2017/01/18/assange-backtracks-o...

That isn't a great look for him, but given he's not a US citizen and the alleged crimes were not committed in US territory, and the crimes in fact were the publication of information embarrassing to the government means the US is claiming global jurisdiction to criminalize press freedoms.

The issues at stake are greater than the dumb things the overconfident and sometimes assholish Julian Assange says.

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Post by e12e »

mhoad wrote: post #57

I think this really kills the idea that Assange was ever a real journalist. Directing cyber attacks and theft of information is not journalism.

Being charged with something is a far cry from being found guilty of something!

This is a federal court finding that people that revealed the war crimes its government perpetrated "did so illegally". Meanwhile they of course don't file charges against the war criminals.

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Post by akiselev »

SkyBelow wrote: post #295
aka1234 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I too am shocked that Wikileaks would publish tabloidish material with little public value. Next thing you know, I'll hear that Wikileaks posted private emails of a government official talking about pizza. Emails which spawned ridiculous conspiracies about satanic child abuse cults headquartered in the basement of a pizza shop that doesn't have a basement. That would never happen. Not at an august, hard-hitting journ…

Yeah, the conspiracy theory is just insane. Almost as insane as the conspiracy theory that one of the world's largest religious organizations was engaging in something similar, except at a scale spanning every continent except Antarctica and having done so for at least as long as living memory. For another conspiracy theory, what about the idea that if a conspiracy was uncovered, instead of denying it those with some…

> Yeah, the conspiracy theory is just insane. Almost as insane as the conspiracy theory that one of the world's largest religious organizations was engaging in something similar, except at a scale spanning every continent except Antarctica and having done so for at least as long as living memory.

One is a conspiracy about a pedophile ring in a pizzaria basement when no such basement exists. The other is a conspiracy that has dozens if not hundreds of convictions and at least a tacit admission from the institution that it's a problem.

> For another conspiracy theory, what about the idea that if a conspiracy was uncovered, instead of denying it those with something to lose would double down on the most exaggerated parts of the conspiracy to down out the less insane and more likely parts. Get the public to focus on the pizza shop and not on the (since deceased) billionaire.

The mastermind (Ailes) behind the news network responsible for pushing the former conspiracy and distracting from the latter admitted to starting the network for the express purpose of running political interference. It's not really a conspiracy when the conspirators are blatantly open about it - at least not in the colloquial sense. Political interference they're running now against SDNY in order to obstruct the investigation.

The difference in circumstance should be apparent - it's the existence of actual evidence and reliable first hand accounts.

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Post by koheripbal »

thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #90
dijit wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, don't make me do this: Selectively releasing documents is not the same as releasing something later proven to be false, which is what the GP asserted. FWIW you could play devils advocate here and say that wikileaks could not independently verify the omitted things; but I'm not going to go there because it's conjecture. Just as your suggestion that it's collusion with Russia, however likely, is also conjecture.

Assange asking Guccifer 2.0 for Hillary leaks: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt6BBwBXcAEL-Fj?format=jpg&name=... Assange helping Guccifer 2.0 distribute manipulated Hillary leaks: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/764256561539735552 How the leaks were taken from other sources and manipulated: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qkjevd/guccifer-2-is-bull... >Guccifer 2.0 — believed to be a misinformation campaign oper…

This does not alter the claim that info released by Wikileaks was never fake.

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Post by koheripbal »

belorn wrote: post #261
thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WikiLeaks Turned Down Leaks on Russian Government During U.S. Presidential Campaign https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-l... >In the summer of 2016, as WikiLeaks was publishing documents from Democratic operatives allegedly obtained by Kremlin-directed hackers, Julian Assange turned down a large cache of documents related to the Russian government, according to chat messages and a source who pr…

In 2016 the relationship between Julian Assange and the US is about as hostile as possible. He was seeking asylum against this very extradition process that is ongoing. A big part of that drama was also that the US secretary of state under the previous years, ie the U.S. government's minister of foreign affairs, was a candidate for the 2016 presidential campaign and thus is it likely that there is a personal grudge b…

Hillary literally asked whether Assange could be killed in a State Department meeting.

I think there's no doubt that there was a personal grudge between the two.

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Post by lordlimecat »

fit2rule wrote: post #289
lordlimecat wrote: post #279

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> And every day since that invasion, the world has been on fire. Obviously things were peacable around the world beforehand, and every conflict or human rights violation since then can be blamed on the Iraq invasion. Never mind that civilian casualties by coalition forces are absolutely dwarfed by those by the opposition, or that US in general gets an extremely high degree of scrutiny and commits relatively few war c…

"The world is always at war" is not an excuse for the following illegal military murder and death campaigns waged against innocent people: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen. The bombing must stop. The drones must be denied. >Body Count: https://www.psr.org/blog/resource/body-count/ 2 million people lost in one war 'arena' is one thing. Another war arena, is another thing. 12 of them, for 20 years, is s…

You should probably read the source you provide. Like many of these body counts, they make no attempt to differentiate US-caused, coalition-caused, Russian-caused, or opposition-caused deaths--or even whether the rise in mortality was actually caused by the war!

So, as is reasonable, you are just blaming them all on the US.

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Post by dang »

xorcist wrote: post #135
thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #25

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>I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never once published anything that has been proven false. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/885395248612085760 He has helped launder edited material from Russian state sponsored hackers in the past. That is one instance, should I find more?

Hello fellow concerned citizen! Did you create that throwaway account in anticipation of yesterday's release of this story, or do you keep a stack to pick from?

That crosses into personal attack and breaks HN's guideline against insinuations of astroturfing etc. You can't do those things here, regardless of how strongly you disagree with someone, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #162
xorcist wrote: post #135

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Hello fellow concerned citizen! Did you create that throwaway account in anticipation of yesterday's release of this story, or do you keep a stack to pick from?

Considering you only comment on my account age I'm assuming you've seen all my comments on my profile page as well. That you cannot address any of the comments and only wish to speak of my account age says volumes about where you are coming from.

Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style and using HN for ideological battle? You've done these things repeatedly already, and it's not what this site is for. Indeed it's destructive of what the site is for, so we eventually have to ban accounts for doing it. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.

There are others in this thread arguing both sides of this debate respectfully and within the guidelines, so you needn't look far for good examples.

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Post by WhoIsSatoshi »

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

thank you for speaking up - there's a lot of fake noise, don't mind it - the message carries through: glad to know others are out there!

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Post by dang »

masteranza wrote: post #129
thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #25

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>I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never once published anything that has been proven false. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/885395248612085760 He has helped launder edited material from Russian state sponsored hackers in the past. That is one instance, should I find more?

1. Why is your account just 2 weeks old? 2. Apparently the testimony is based on the story told by who are trying hard to get their sentences reduced. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/06/25/assa-j25.html

New accounts are welcome on HN. Your comment breaks the site guideline against insinuation of astroturfing, shilling, etc. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do that. The rest of your comment is fine.
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