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He's talking about the fact that iMessage only runs on Apple hardware. That's what a walled garden is.
ok? and googles messaging app only runs on android. the app doesn’t require the recipient to have imessage, however if they do you get benefits (like increased message size) over sms due to limitations in sms.
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I feel like reason you can move is because you haven't put all your eggs in their walled garden, not that they don't have one. I know people who either won't or have regretted switching from an iPhone because they have trouble talking to their friend who only use iMessage. I think Apple is only increasing their walled garden into more areas by expanding into music streaming, TV, etc. You can still use their hardware…
If iMessage is a walled garden, then pretty much every other messaging system is also a walled garden since the death of XMPP. Can anyone build a a third party client for WhatsApp or any other popular messaging system in 2020? Im unaware of any. In fact the top result for “third party whatsapp client” is “Use a third party WhatsApp client and be banned for life”. [0] Hardly the behavior of an open system. What your r…
No whataboutism please.
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> To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. Apple make it such a pain in the ass to get Apple IDs. For example, they block emails from small domains. So I can't use my company email address to get an apple ID.... and I found that out by googling cryptic error messages, they don't even tell you. They don't want you to have multiple Apple IDs, so you need to store the credentials of your main Apple ID on your build server…
You should be using this: https://support.apple.com/guide/apple-business-manager/what-... https://support.apple.com/guide/apple-business-manager/creat... Not the consumer Apple IDs. This lets you programically generate the Apple IDs (you can even set permissions on them). Works great. Not that they've made it straightforward to make it explicit who should use what, or anything, but they do have solutions for this. It…
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> As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Of course you do: Please implement this iOS application/feature in Android . Not being able to run an application from Xcode onto an iOS device severely hampers your career. I have to deal with so many Android developers and their output I absolutely cannot afford the luxury to not run Android apps from Android Studio. I don't think Sign In With Apple…
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Is the comment on career an insult or genuine?
As soon as you're going to be involved in designing or building back-end API's and features that cross a lot of layers not being able to run applications from Xcode and Android Studio and understanding the other platform no matter if you're an iOS developer or Android developer limits your career.
I need at least to see what my Android developer did for me before I can accept his or her work. That's what happens when you go up the ladder. That's why I have the full toolchain on my computer and obviously bought an Android phone.
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> This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly as possible, to force people in. And once you're in, they make it as hard as possible to leave. I call old wives tales. I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem, more of a strength (integration, cohesion, etc). Especially today where everything is a subscription, there has never been LESS of a walle…
Cohesion does not force you to lock your software to a single device. Why can Google Duo be available on iOS and Android, while FaceTime is locked to iOS? You know full well it's to force you and your family to stay inside the garden and stop you from leaving. Has nothing to do with cohesion. > I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem. Obviously it's not a problem to people insid…
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110% - Google wouldn’t let me use Safari for youtube TV or for Stadia. The open web is a total mirage.
Goes both ways. It shouldn't be too surprising that people don't bother testing against the only browser that isn't just a download away. For all of IE's/Edge's faults (and there are tons), at least they offer public VM images.
Didn’t the Homebrew creator give some huge stat number for amt of Google employees who use Homebrew (so Mac) during the drama of him not being hired?
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> This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly as possible, to force people in. And once you're in, they make it as hard as possible to leave. I call old wives tales. I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem, more of a strength (integration, cohesion, etc). Especially today where everything is a subscription, there has never been LESS of a walle…
> My music is in Spotify and Apple Music, my video is Netflix and Amazon Prime and Apple+ Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Apple+? Because, if not, your counterargument is just "there's no walled garden because I'm outside it". Spotify, Netflix, Google, Kindle, etc work on both platforms. Apple stuff doesn't. That's the definition of "walled garden", that you can't use Android and stil…
No, my argument is "there's no walled garden because with subscriptions there are no walls to close you in".
Apple Music is a subscription, you move to Spotify or Pandora or Youtube Music or whatever and that's that. You don't have the loss of your music or whatever locking you down to either OSX/iOS or even Apple Music alone as the parent said. That would be an argument back when music was DRM files you have bought and which would have stopped working outside Apple's ecosystem.
Ditto of course for Netflix, Mail, etc.
The closest you can get to the "walled garden" is iBooks -- Kindle wont display books you've bought there. But you can trivially just use Kindle app on macOS/iOS and problem solved. Apple's not forcing you to use iBooks.
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> My music is in Spotify and Apple Music, my video is Netflix and Amazon Prime and Apple+ Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Apple+? Because, if not, your counterargument is just "there's no walled garden because I'm outside it". Spotify, Netflix, Google, Kindle, etc work on both platforms. Apple stuff doesn't. That's the definition of "walled garden", that you can't use Android and stil…
how about the $5k or so in media i have in googles ecosystem? their apps are literally garbage on ios and i had to resort to using youtube to watch content i paid for. even this didn’t work after some time as i have so much media even the youtube app started timing out when loading my purchases. there is no compatible format for ios, so you gotta use their garbage apps. it became such a huge problem that i bought eve…
I've never seen any Google app being a problem on iOS, much less garbage. It just doesn't have the native look due to Material theming.
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Your reply here seems to try to twist the thread to a point where all uses of 'open' or 'non-walled' has to equate FOSS or EFF ideals, while you probably know that is neither feasible nor what is being discussed. It feels like you're intentionally acting obtuse at this point.
No, it was sarcastically reducing the argument to an absurdity. I'm not going to reply to you any more because it looks like you're just trying to troll.
No, it was just a snark with no point. Reductio ad absurdum is a totally different mechanism.
Besically you just shifted the goalposts from the original claim that you're locked to Apple's platforms if you use Apple TV music.
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[it might be available on other platforms] but it's not FOSS, haha
when it was pointed to you that your original claim is false and Apple TV is available for platforms like Roku and Samsung.
The rest, accusing the parent of trolling, is just rude. He provided a counter-argument with actual information (that Apple TV is also available in Samsung and Roku).
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The Simulator comes free with Xcode. And it's actually pretty usable in terms of performance compared to the Emulator you get with Android Studio. Either you get a $75 iPhone SE or you have something for free with your MacBook. Anyone with a computer still wants to use a hardware Android device for any serious testing. And then there's the differences between all of the builds between the brands. I bet you want to te…
I hate that I can't use Xcode on Linux.